Psychotropic Drugs in Religious Rituals

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

When compared to the cost of prescription meds (if coming out of pocket), and their side effects, it's a small price to pay. As a lot of vets will tell you, just compared to the side effects of prescription meds, it's a small price to pay. But a lot of vets look at it like start up costs... and grow their own.

Aquila do Vietnam vets ever experience PTSD?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Eh, that's your opinion.

No, that is fact. You see this is what is insane about holding a discussion with you. Is that you aren't honest. So, Opium is still used in medication today? The answer is yes. Opium is so addictive that the user will consume the substance until death. Oxycontin is an Opiate. I have dealt with people who have had addictions with everything from refer to crack. Have brothers and sisters who have been delivered in prayer meetings, in baptismals, in Bible studies from full blown highs. What I state about natural psychotropics, and synthesised psychotropic drugs isn't my opinion.

Originally Posted by Aquila

There are studies that disagree. As far as hallucinogenics, studies are showing that those with terminal conditions who suffer from excessive anxiety benefit from "shrooms". Apparently after taking "shrooms" subjects had a sense of resolution and peace about their impending death and return to their spiritual roots. Scientists are still researching the biochemical nature of this shift in their mental state.

Well, well, Chris didn't take you long to advocate shrooms. Right on. María Sabina would be proud. Mexican Indian Shamans used the magic mushrooms to bring their neophytes and devotees on mind altering spiritual journeys. Chris, you would partake in these treatments for your PTSD?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Very good point.

Therefore if the "preacher" is taking legal medical marijuana, what message is that sending to the young people? Sooner or later marijuana will be legalized for recreational use.

I wouldn't freak out or distort the truth. Preachers who practice moderation with wine preach against drunkenness. A preacher can preach that unless one has a medical condition, cannabis has no purpose other than to get stoned, therefore such would be sin. As with other medication.

Duh.

Baby can't sleep through the night? No problem, couple of tokes of the dube puts infant in a mellow mood? Good God from Zion! Help us.

This statement reminded me of something my grandmother used to do that she picked up from her mother, probably she got it from her mother... But anyway, on her side of the family they'd rub a baby's gums with whisky to sooth teething pain and to settle the child. I never did that with my kids, but those were the old ways.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

While the source of emotion is still beyond the scope of science, we do know that emotions are effected by various biochemical processes in the brain.

Sorry, but you know as much about the way the human brain works, as you do about rebuilding a transmission on a 1961 XLCH. While one is simple, the other is infinitely complex. Yet, in your hands both would be just as hard to comprehend.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Jesus is a healer. But Jesus doesn't heal everyone all the time. Else, we'd never see believers in the hospital, taking chemo, or needing any form of treatments for things such as diabetes, etc. If Jesus healed 100% of the time, we'd put hospitals out of business.

NPR recently had a show discussing how chemo was akin to leeches. We are finding out that chemo is old antiquated method of treatment. As we do the research we find that treatments which we thought were good science are really dangerous. But were kept around because they make huge money.
Legalizing medical marijuana and LSD is basically the stepping stone for making those substances legal in other areas. We have people in our church who have refused chemo, went on it through prayer and are still alive. My own sister was killed by chemotherapy, as was said by her doctor, not me.
She was diagnosed with a super rare form of cancer which has like a 1% success rate. So, why even treat her? The chemotherapy made her weaker, sicker, 90 lbs of flesh and bones. They administered the chemo because of money availability. Brother in our church has an aneurysm, bleeding on the brain, the hospital gave him contrast dye that shut down his kidneys. The doctor walked into the hospital room while our church brother was on dialysis. The doctor turned to me and said that his kidneys will NEVER come back. Because they took such a bad hit, his words, not mine. I turned to the doctor, and told him that's a lie, Jesus will heal those kidneys. The doctor said that's no lie, that's a fact. I told the doctor we shall see. Church family prayed, and the church brother is 100% healed. Should I have smoked a dube with him? Should we split a tab of four way window pane? Should I have helped him snort some China White? In case Jesus didn't heal?

[Old Paths]

Originally Posted by Aquila

This statement reminded me of something my grandmother used to do that she picked up from her mother, probably she got it from her mother... But anyway, on her side of the family they'd rub a baby's gums with whisky to sooth teething pain and to settle the child. I never did that with my kids, but those were the old ways.

Reminds me of my Mom.

I had the flu many years ago and my Mom made a "toddy" from lemons, peppermint and Jack Daniels (she sent my unsaved brother for the whiskey ) It worked! Cut the phlegm, coughing and when I was better, to the dismay of my unsaved brother, she poured the rest of the whiskey down the drain.

Sorta like taking a shot of NyQuil today.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

No, that is fact.

No, it's only your opinion.

There is research on this. Look it up.

You see this is what is insane about holding a discussion with you. Is that you aren't honest.

Where did I lie? Pointing out that you're only selling your opinion?

So, Opium is still used in medication today? The answer is yes. Opium is so addictive that the user will consume the substance until death. Oxycontin is an Opiate. I have dealt with people who have had addictions with everything from refer to crack. Have brothers and sisters who have been delivered in prayer meetings, in baptismals, in Bible studies from full blown highs. What I state about natural psychotropics, and synthesised psychotropic drugs isn't my opinion.

I agree with you on the dangers of oxycontin and opiates. And yes, they are addictive. I'd never touch it. However, oxycontin is used to treat intense pain, and when used correctly, under a physician's guidance, things can and do go well for some.

Well, well, Chris didn't take you long to advocate shrooms. Right on. María Sabina would be proud. Mexican Indian Shamans used the magic mushrooms to bring their neophytes and devotees on mind altering spiritual journeys. Chris, you would partake in these treatments for your PTSD?

See, this is where you're lying and slandering again. I never advocated the use of shrooms. I only pointed out that there was indeed research on it.

When will you tell the truth, avoid slander, stay on topic, and just have a normal discussion? You're looking ridiculous.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I wouldn't freak out or distort the truth. Preachers who practice moderation with wine preach against drunkenness. A preacher can preach that unless one has a medical condition, cannabis has no purpose other than to get stoned, therefore such would be sin. As with other medication.

Duh.

There isn't moderation with THC, it isn't 90 proof, which wine which is communion wine is low alcohol content. No way near 90 proof. THC alters the brain, it slows it down to be able to do its job.

Stick that in your DUH.

Originally Posted by Aquila

This statement reminded me of something my grandmother used to do that she picked up from her mother, probably she got it from her mother... But anyway, on her side of the family they'd rub a baby's gums with whisky to sooth teething pain and to settle the child. I never did that with my kids, but those were the old ways.

Very good.

I remember this story from when you last posted it.

Hence my point.

Baby can't sleep, marijuana is legal, baby takes a hit, baby sleeps.

Wrong behavior of adults comes from societies allow stupid to be the song of the day.

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Sorry, but you know as much about the way the human brain works, as you do about rebuilding a transmission on a 1961 XLCH. While one is simple, the other is infinitely complex. Yet, in your hands both would be just as hard to comprehend.





NPR recently had a show discussing how chemo was akin to leeches. We are finding out that chemo is old antiquated method of treatment. As we do the research we find that treatments which we thought were good science are really dangerous. But were kept around because they make huge money.
Legalizing medical marijuana and LSD is basically the stepping stone for making those substances legal in other areas. We have people in our church who have refused chemo, went on it through prayer and are still alive. My own sister was killed by chemotherapy, as was said by her doctor, not me.
She was diagnosed with a super rare form of cancer which has like a 1% success rate. So, why even treat her? The chemotherapy made her weaker, sicker, 90 lbs of flesh and bones. They administered the chemo because of money availability. Brother in our church has an aneurysm, bleeding on the brain, the hospital gave him contrast dye that shut down his kidneys. The doctor walked into the hospital room while our church brother was on dialysis. The doctor turned to me and said that his kidneys will NEVER come back. Because they took such a bad hit, his words, not mine. I turned to the doctor, and told him that's a lie, Jesus will heal those kidneys. The doctor said that's no lie, that's a fact. I told the doctor we shall see. Church family prayed, and the church brother is 100% healed. Should I have smoked a dube with him? Should we split a tab of four way window pane? Should I have helped him snort some China White? In case Jesus didn't heal?

Amen

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Sorry, but you know as much about the way the human brain works, as you do about rebuilding a transmission on a 1961 XLCH. While one is simple, the other is infinitely complex. Yet, in your hands both would be just as hard to comprehend.

NPR recently had a show discussing how chemo was akin to leeches. We are finding out that chemo is old antiquated method of treatment. As we do the research we find that treatments which we thought were good science are really dangerous. But were kept around because they make huge money.
Legalizing medical marijuana and LSD is basically the stepping stone for making those substances legal in other areas. We have people in our church who have refused chemo, went on it through prayer and are still alive. My own sister was killed by chemotherapy, as was said by her doctor, not me.
She was diagnosed with a super rare form of cancer which has like a 1% success rate. So, why even treat her? The chemotherapy made her weaker, sicker, 90 lbs of flesh and bones. They administered the chemo because of money availability. Brother in our church has an aneurysm, bleeding on the brain, the hospital gave him contrast dye that shut down his kidneys. The doctor walked into the hospital room while our church brother was on dialysis. The doctor turned to me and said that his kidneys will NEVER come back. Because they took such a bad hit, his words, not mine. I turned to the doctor, and told him that's a lie, Jesus will heal those kidneys. The doctor said that's no lie, that's a fact. I told the doctor we shall see. Church family prayed, and the church brother is 100% healed. Should I have smoked a dube with him? Should we split a tab of four way window pane? Should I have helped him snort some China White? In case Jesus didn't heal?

I'm in full agreement with you on chemo. However, I do know some who it seems to have helped... but they might have been able to weather the sickness and overcome through diet and more natural means without it.

I also praise God with you for the healings you mentioned. God is awesome.

I'd never tell you that you should have smoked anything with anyone.

What I'm saying is that taking any medication is a matter of personal conviction. There is no reason to cram your convictions down everyone's throat, with that hearty dose of that EB style mockery and condemnation that you serve up so well.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

No, it's only your opinion.

There is research on this. Look it up.



Where did I lie? Pointing out that you're only selling your opinion?

Look up what? Someone who agrees with you? Some research that backs up your thoughts? No opinion my Chris, I have real life research. Also, for everything you might find to back you up, there is opposite to come against what you find. No one but no one is helped through Marijuana or LSD.

Originally Posted by Aquila

I agree with you on the dangers of oxycontin and opiates. And yes, they are addictive. I'd never touch it. However, oxycontin is used to treat intense pain, and when used correctly, under a physician's guidance, things can and do go well for some.

The only reason you would ever agree is because of its bad press. But years ago we have pain clinics by the bunch full. Supplying addicts who were having doctors write them prescriptions. News flash, doctors guidance has caused more drug addiction than any street dealer. Good grief.

Originally Posted by Aquila

See, this is where you're lying and slandering again. I never advocated the use of shrooms. I only pointed out that there was indeed research on it.

Stop, you brought up that there was benefits, not me. You might get away with this garbage when you are dealing with the simpletons of your world. But I am not advocating this stuff, I am saying that there is zero benefit to these drugs. You my boy, are saying the opposite. So man up buddy, and cool your jets.

Originally Posted by Aquila

When will you tell the truth, avoid slander, stay on topic, and just have a normal discussion? You're looking ridiculous.

Only one is looks ridiculous is you.