Cheerful giver.

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by diakonos

Terrible example.

You’re right. I should have used lying, since the tithe doctrine is really a bunch of lies.

[diakonos]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

You’re right. I should have used lying, since the tithe doctrine is really a bunch of lies.

Make your own bitter thread, please.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

If a preacher preaches a sermon against committing adultery, would you consider him a hypocrite? He obviously doesn’t believe in adultery yet he goes to a church with people who commit the sin of adultery. By your definition he would be a hypocrite.

Funny how that works.

Sorry, but no cigar.

If you attend church with a preacher who commits adultery and a church which is filled with perverts. You have a bigger problem then worrying about tithing hombre. Funny, how the religious believe that only standards of piety, holiness, and sinlessness, are only required for the ministry. While the laity could be attending the church and listening to preaching while they are all involved in porn.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Rudy

Ahh, there you are. Don't be so mean.

How is that mean? You are the biggest advocate of getting all the non-tithers together to start a church (you'd all probably be in the dark, with the landlord outside with the sheriff) yet, you believe that you and the rest of the crew should be in a church of non tithers. Why endure sitting with a group (how Toastmaster puts it) liars? A preacher who has a congregation of saints paying tithes would be raising an eyebrow to a guy like Torchsinger. In other words, he wouldn't be welcomed, nor should he. Why? Because while the elders are going in one direction, the "name that doctrine" is going in the other. Whether we believe the elders are wrong or flat out lying. They are actually doing us and themselves a favor by showing us the door and giving us the left foot of fellowship. If you attend a church that believes in ABC, and you believe in 123, and you both know what each other believes and both parties agree to leave their differences at the prayer room door. That's all on you both, you agreed to disagree. But that would require no parking lot or Cracker Barrel Bible studies. In other words your "zeal" to be a man of the people would have to be laid down, in respect of the elders and their flock.
Look, half (I'm being kind) have never blood sweat and teared over building a church family. Been full time ministry sucking on your wallet while you dug out a church. So, when I see that you post that all the non tithers should get on the No Tithe Bus to the First Church of No Tithe. Bro, I doing a happy dance

Because every time I have seen you post that, the rest of your compadres go crickets on you.

I guess they're more than happy to attend tithing churches while they moan about the 10% getting handed to the church.

Pretty pathetic? Don't you agree? If you go, then shut up. If the church family believes in growing Rip Van Winkle Beards, or shaving as clean as a baby's hind end. If you go, and you don't agree, then be prepared to endure what ever gets slung over that pulpit. Don't become an ecclesiastical John Galt and blow the church family out of the water. While the elders see you bring your "truths" but in no way ready to deal with the fall out. A fall out, which you may of cause directly or inadvertently.

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

People who don’t believe in tithing would NEVER attend a church that believes in tithing. They would be hypocrites. Right?

Now bro. benny, what assembly has 100% agreement on issues? The assembly I attend is a futurist or an endtime mark of the beast type. I don't subsrrcibe to that belief. Am I a hypocritte for attending there?



Are you reaching a little bit just to scold those who believe a tithe of money "filthy lucre" is not required?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by diakonos

Make your own bitter thread, please.

That is how some of us are precieved.

But that is what usually happens in all doctrinal epiphanies.

We become the man of the people going onward as we sing.

Never looking back at the dead under our ecclesiastical chariot wheels.


Finding maturity is key to creating some sort of balance.

Torchsinger hears the word "tithe" and he salivates like Pavlov's dog.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Rudy

Now bro. benny, what assembly has 100% agreement on issues? The assembly I attend is a futurist or an endtime mark of the beast type. I don't subsrrcibe to that belief. Am I a hypocritte for attending there?

100% agreement is part and parcel of what the elders of the church are striving. Therefore, you believing in an eschatology other than what they are pounding, makes you the odd man out. You are not part of THE group. The elders are NOT YOUR elders. Because you KNOW more than they. They are eschatological munchkins while you have the truth. Paul said of the house of Chole that there were divisions among the church family in that location. Paul told them to get on the same page. That all needed to be focused on one teacher, that was Christ. Since they were baptized under that name. But I don't need to explain this all to you, because you are the most famous one for posting that all non tithers should be together? Isn't that right? I have already explained myself, in the post you are replying to. Just add whatever pet doctrine you have on your mind. If you stay, then shut up about whatever you say you believe. Don't get involved, just sit there and take in the show. Maybe the elders can convert you to microchip mark of the beast, and Pre trib rapture, and paying 10%. Right?

Originally Posted by Rudy

Are you reaching a little bit just to scold those who believe a tithe of money "filthy lucre" is not required?

Oh my.

No, I am just posting about what everyone who has sense understands.

Sadly, because church is more like box stores, we find what little of what we agree on, and attend. Rudy, YOU POSTED IT!

You made the plea to gather in the sheaves of the No tithers.

Do it, why sit in a church that doesn't sell what you are buying?

Also filthy lucre isn't tithing. Filthy lucre are those who do things for MONEY first and foremost.

Not all preachers are doing it for money.

That is one part of the non tither mantra that gets even those who believe in Biblical giving sick to their stomach. They feel that the non tither group is bitter, and their epiphany came about because of a bad situation. Instead of Biblical research.

[1ofthechosen]

I'll leave this here.
God blesses the sower. And God also said not paying tithe was robbery against God. Now if your not tithing anything else then well your robbing God. Point blank period.

And my Bible says thieves can't enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. How much more those who are stealing from God?

I pay tithes Because I give them unto the Lord and He blesses me. You have come too late to tell me it's not important. I don't do it cuz I have to, I do it cuz I want to. And God always blesses those who give from the heart. I give tithes cuz I include God in every venture I pursue, and you know what? He always makes things come together In that venture when I include Him. I may give them to ministry but what they do with them is on them. That's their responsibility with God and they are held accountable for that. I gave it unto the Lord.

Now I'm not saying give your money to people who are about money. You know a wolf and someone with a car salesman spirit at least you should. If they pass the plate around multiple times don't trust them with nothing. Find you someone who could care less about your money and will still tell you the truth. I'm not saying don't use discretion but don't miss out on the blessing. I believe paying tithes and offerings is the true first step of obedience. If a person can't be trusted in their pocket book they can't be trusted anywhere else either! I judge ministry starting at this principle. How someone is about money will tell you all about who and how they really are!

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Originalist

The church pays the pastor a salary. Why would I need to set aside anything specially marked for him? And no, I do not gauge my giving by percentages. I give what I can and constantly tweak my budget to ensure I can give regularly.

What Trinitarian church do you have a real Apostolic Church mixed up with?

If your Pastor gets paid a salary he's an employee not a pastor.

[JamesGlen]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

I'll leave this here.
God blesses the sower. And God also said not paying tithe was robbery against God. Now if your not tithing anything else then well your robbing God. Point blank period.

And my Bible says thieves can't enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. How much more those who are stealing from God?

I pay tithes Because I give them unto the Lord and He blesses me. You have come too late to tell me it's not important. I don't do it cuz I have to, I do it cuz I want to. And God always blesses those who give from the heart. I give tithes cuz I include God in every venture I pursue, and you know what? He always makes things come together In that venture when I include Him. I may give them to ministry but what they do with them is on them. That's their responsibility with God and they are held accountable for that. I gave it unto the Lord.

Now I'm not saying give your money to people who are about money. You know a wolf and someone with a car salesman spirit at least you should. If they pass the plate around multiple times don't trust them with nothing. Find you someone who could care less about your money and will still tell you the truth. I'm not saying don't use discretion but don't miss out on the blessing. I believe paying tithes and offerings is the true first step of obedience. If a person can't be trusted in their pocket book they can't be trusted anywhere else either! I judge ministry starting at this principle. How someone is about money will tell you all about who and how they really are!

From the scriptures(because that is only & exactly what we MUST base tithing off of), how do you personally determine who all is suppose to pay a tithe, and who all is suppose to receive from that tithe, and can that tithe be money, or are other things of value acceptable as a tithe, or what can the tithe be?