Planned Destruction of Civilisation

[Esaias]

The foundation of the family is a man and woman joined together by God. This means a good, strong, godly family recognizes and follows the Divinely prescribed roles of husband and wife, and teaches them to their children. So that the sons and daughters grow up to become godly husbands and wives. Additionally, a young man or woman who knows and supports Biblical concepts of marriage will look for a spouse that meets those qualifications, helping to ensure the continuity and passing on of God's Kingdom faith and practice to the next generation(s).

And this is going to require men and women sit down with their Bibles and STUDY to learn what God expects of them. It's great when the church teaches on this subject, and they should. But ultimately, the responsibity for knowing what kind of man or woman you ought to be rests with YOU. And the responsibility for passing those truths on to your children definitely rests with you. Sunday school is not an acceptable substitute for godly parenting.

But where to begin? Obviously a godly man or woman is a Christian, who follows all the known will of God. That applies to all people. But there are certain specific instructions in the Word concerning husbands and fathers, and wives and mothers, and thus the family unit, that need to be sought out and incorporated into life.

How does the Bible describe the family? Who has what roles? What are ALL the instructions God has given for husbands, wives, etc?

Just as an example, have you ever considered the following?

Numbers ch 30
1 And Moses spake unto the heads of the tribes concerning the children of Israel, saying, This is the thing which the LORD hath commanded. 2 If a man vow a vow unto the LORD, or swear an oath to bind his soul with a bond; he shall not break his word, he shall do according to all that proceedeth out of his mouth. 3 If a woman also vow a vow unto the LORD, and bind herself by a bond, being in her father's house in her youth; 4 and her father hear her vow, and her bond wherewith she hath bound her soul, and her father shall hold his peace at her: then all her vows shall stand, and every bond wherewith she hath bound her soul shall stand. 5 But if her father disallow her in the day that he heareth; not any of her vows, or of her bonds wherewith she hath bound her soul, shall stand: and the LORD shall forgive her, because her father disallowed her. 6 And if she had at all an husband, when she vowed, or uttered ought out of her lips, wherewith she bound her soul; 7 and her husband heard it, and held his peace at her in the day that he heard it: then her vows shall stand, and her bonds wherewith she bound her soul shall stand. 8 But if her husband disallowed her on the day that he heard it; then he shall make her vow which she vowed, and that which she uttered with her lips, wherewith she bound her soul, of none effect: and the LORD shall forgive her. 9 But every vow of a widow, and of her that is divorced, wherewith they have bound their souls, shall stand against her. 10 And if she vowed in her husband's house, or bound her soul by a bond with an oath; 11 and her husband heard it, and held his peace at her, and disallowed her not: then all her vows shall stand, and every bond wherewith she bound her soul shall stand. 12 But if her husband hath utterly made them void on the day he heard them; then whatsoever proceeded out of her lips concerning her vows, or concerning the bond of her soul, shall not stand: her husband hath made them void; and the LORD shall forgive her. 13 Every vow, and every binding oath to afflict the soul, her husband may establish it, or her husband may make it void. 14 But if her husband altogether hold his peace at her from day to day; then he establisheth all her vows, or all her bonds, which are upon her: he confirmeth them, because he held his peace at her in the day that he heard them. 15 But if he shall any ways make them void after that he hath heard them; then he shall bear her iniquity. 16 These are the statutes, which the LORD commanded Moses, between a man and his wife, between the father and his daughter, being yet in her youth in her father's house.

Essentially, as far as God is concerned, a woman is under the care and protection of her father until she is married. Furthermore, he (or her husband once she is married) is responsible for and accountable for any vows or promises she makes. Which in turn means he can nullify a vow she makes, if upon hearing of it he thinks it best to do so.

What implications does this have for the entire family dynamic? What implications does this have, as far as suggesting to a young lady just what kind of man she should be looking for? If a man has that kind of Biblical obligation and authority, he needs to have his head on right, otherwise she may find herself rather unhappy. On the other hand, she needs to marry a guy who is strong enough to say "No" when he needs to. And a young man needs to know how to exercise that authority in a godly, Christ honouring way, loving His (future) wife as Christ loves the church.

Which means the kids need to grow up being taught these Kingdom principles for living.

[Esaias]

Lev 25:23
The land shall not be sold for ever: for the land is mine; for ye are strangers and sojourners with me.

This chapter contains instructions regarding land sales. Basically, each family had a plot of land, and were forbidden to permanently sell it outside of the family. It could be sold to outsiders, but only temporarily. This was to make sure that none of God's people became homeless. They would always have a piece of land to live on. If they sold it because they needed money, at some point it would be returned to them.

How can this Kingdom principle be put it into practice by godly families today?

Obviously, society itself does not follow God's commandments regarding land sales and land redemption. However, individual families that do in fact own some land can follow the principle as closely as possible, and NOT SELL OFF THEIR LAND OUTSIDE THE FAMILY.

I have seen numerous times when a couple retires, and sells their house to buy an RV or something, or else get one of those nifty "reverse mortgages" aimed at retirees. The result? Their kids and grandkids have to fend for themselves, instead of inheriting a piece of land (hopefully free of mortgage debt) to live on while building their own family. And so the kids move away, and participate in the standard real estate market, where people either just rent, or if they buy they only live in it for 5-7 years and then move on.

Longer reaching consequences of this dispossession off the land include people becoming essentially nomads and vagabonds, never able to settle down and put down roots in a community. Thus, nobody feels any connection to their neighbours, because they really have none. Communities thus become essentially large temporary camps of drifters, and "community" is about as strong as what you find in an RV park or at a hotel. No wonder society is going down the drain!

But, if you pass on a land inheritance (however small) to your kids, they can at least never be homeless and can build their own family with one less worry and one less bill to pay. After all, that's what family is supposed to be for: to help each other out to survive and move ahead.

So determine that, if at all possible, if you have some land, pass it on to your kids. And teach them the same principle, to do the same for their children. This will begin a reformation among Christian families that will result in more and more of them being more and more independent (God dependent) and self sufficient (God sufficient). And thus less beholden to a Christ hating destructive, nihilistic world system.

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Last sentence of second paragraph above should read "...out of LOVE to our Father", not "live". Caught it too late to edit.

Fixed.

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Lev 25:23
The land shall not be sold for ever: for the land is mine; for ye are strangers and sojourners with me.

This chapter contains instructions regarding land sales. Basically, each family had a plot of land, and were forbidden to permanently sell it outside of the family. It could be sold to outsiders, but only temporarily. This was to make sure that none of God's people became homeless. They would always have a piece of land to live on. If they sold it because they needed money, at some point it would be returned to them.

How can this Kingdom principle be put it into practice by godly families today?

Obviously, society itself does not follow God's commandments regarding land sales and land redemption. However, individual families that do in fact own some land can follow the principle as closely as possible, and NOT SELL OFF THEIR LAND OUTSIDE THE FAMILY.

I have seen numerous times when a couple retires, and sells their house to buy an RV or something, or else get one of those nifty "reverse mortgages" aimed at retirees. The result? Their kids and grandkids have to fend for themselves, instead of inheriting a piece of land (hopefully free of mortgage debt) to live on while building their own family. And so the kids move away, and participate in the standard real estate market, where people either just rent, or if they buy they only live in it for 5-7 years and then move on.

Longer reaching consequences of this dispossession off the land include people becoming essentially nomads and vagabonds, never able to settle down and put down roots in a community. Thus, nobody feels any connection to their neighbours, because they really have none. Communities thus become essentially large temporary camps of drifters, and "community" is about as strong as what you find in an RV park or at a hotel. No wonder society is going down the drain!

But, if you pass on a land inheritance (however small) to your kids, they can at least never be homeless and can build their own family with one less worry and one less bill to pay. After all, that's what family is supposed to be for: to help each other out to survive and move ahead.

So determine that, if at all possible, if you have some land, pass it on to your kids. And teach them the same principle, to do the same for their children. This will begin a reformation among Christian families that will result in more and more of them being more and more independent (God dependent) and self sufficient (God sufficient). And thus less beholden to a Christ hating destructive, nihilistic world system.

This is really good, right here. Almost all "old money" wealth in society is tied to real estate. Imagine if believers owned a majority stake of property in their communities? They would hold the sway on all the local ordinances.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

This is really good, right here. Almost all "old money" wealth in society is tied to real estate. Imagine if believers owned a majority stake of property in their communities? They would hold the sway on all the local ordinances.

[Esaias]

Jacob's sons tended their father's flocks (Gen 37:12). Jethro's daughters tended their father's flocks (Ex 2:16). David (and presumably his brothers) tended their father's flocks (1 Sam 17:34).

It is thus Biblical for children to grow up working in the family business. In fact, that's how most cultures have been for all of time. Only recently have we developed this unhistorical, unbiblical, and unnatural attitude that a child is to grow up and go out in the world and start fending for him or her self, by "picking a career" or just "getting a job". This has contributed to a disconnect from one generation to the next, and prohibits the development of any kind of family business that can be passed on to succeeding generations.

Under the older traditional model, a man only had to worry about managing and increasing the business he inherited. He didn't turn 18 and have to deal with "what am I going to do for a living, how will I make it?" Each generation contributed to the survival and advancement of the next generation.

This doesn't mean an individual couldn't choose to strike out in a new direction. But he (or she) didn't HAVE to. The way most do things today, every individual has to strike out on their own, sink or swim. Society paints a bad ugly picture of a son continuing the father's line of work or business. "Muh individuality will be stifled" many think.

The result? Homelessness. No inheritance for the kids except maybe insurance payoff. Families scattering across the state and nation, everyone drifting in a sea of isolation. Depression. Dysfunction. Suicide. Alcoholism and other bad coping mechanisms.

If Christians get back to the idea of "tending father's flocks", and work on putting it into practice, then kids and grandkids will be less susceptible to homelessness, idleness, dysfunction, aloneness, financial instabity, economic failure, going on welfare, voting for democrats, etc.

How to do it? Instead of the goal being "work hard till I hit 65 or 70, then live on my 401(k) and hope I die before my money runs out", the goal can be "build a family business with which to train the kids and which they can inherit and expand", or maybe at least "do what I can to help my kids get their own family business started". Even if it is as limited as "get my kid a job at the factory I work at so they can learn a trade and will never lack bread, Lord willing."

Sure beats "Your 18, get a job somewhere, anywhere, and get outta my house." You may find yourself in a nursing home later on.

Family business increases a family's collective power and influence, as well as providing a safety net for the family members. This is needful for influencing community reformation.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

Fixed.

Thank you.

Originally Posted by votivesoul

This is really good, right here. Almost all "old money" wealth in society is tied to real estate. Imagine if believers owned a majority stake of property in their communities? They would hold the sway on all the local ordinances.

Yes, not just real estate but the businesses in town. In charge of providing employment to the community. This is how "power" operates, always has and always will in this life. Might as well be ours.

[jediwill83]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Thank you.



Yes, not just real estate but the businesses in town. In charge of providing employment to the community. This is how "power" operates, always has and always will in this life. Might as well be ours.

We have this idea in mind with what we are doing while getting out of debt and building savings doing rideshare. Right now we are researching low cost franchises.



The idea is to be self sufficient and to have a secure family not living from paycheck to paycheck and not being a wage slave.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by jediwill83

We have this idea in mind with what we are doing while getting out of debt and building savings doing rideshare. Right now we are researching low cost franchises.



The idea is to be self sufficient and to have a secure family not living from paycheck to paycheck and not being a wage slave.

Very good!

Check this out: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5I...o2jnnneClRUcnA

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Esaias

What does it mean to seek first the Kingdom of God and His righteousness?

What is His righteousness?

Here is a good thread/Bible study on God's righteousness: http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ad.php?t=52356

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Originally Posted by Esaias

O my people, remember now what Balak king of Moab consulted, and what Balaam the son of Beor answered him from Shittim unto Gilgal; that ye may know the righteousness of the LORD.
(Micah 6:5)

We are to seek the Kingdom of God, and HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS, as our top priority, rather than material things of this life. BUT...

... one has to know what it is they are seeking, what it is they are looking for, what exactly it is they are following after. And the clue is found in Micah ch 6, verse 5.

O my people, remember now what Balak king of Moab consulted, and what Balaam the son of Beor answered him from Shittim unto Gilgal; that ye may know the righteousness of the LORD.

The story of Balak and Balaam, and the events that transpired from Shittim to Gilgal, will demonstrate the "righteousness of the Lord". That is, by understanding those events, we will gain an understanding of the Lord's righteousness.