Virtual church

[james34]

Originally Posted by Barb

I'm sorry. Maybe I missed it, but just WHO is calling it a replacement?!

Who is saying it's only short term?
Why is short term replacement acceptable, but not long term?
How long is short term?

[coksiw]

Originally Posted by james34

Here. Is a major difference and one problem presented by livestream services.
I personally know people who never attend church(but are physically able) and I know churches who even before this pandemic, were livestreaming their services. I even chimed in on these services(as it is a church some of my sinner family is associated with and one where I preach when I'm in their area)
But as I watch these live streamed services I notice several well able people in that area chiming in and posting amens throughout. I have watched this for probably 2 if not 3 years. These people claimed christianity off and on for some years even before internet services were available. What I am noticing is that these livestream services are not impacting their lives the way being physically present would. I dont believe the same conviction power is present or it's easier to push it away when it's just on a screen and speaker. We as Christian's may pretend not to know the difference, but sinner folks do and they will take an online service where they wouldn't dare go into a church house with a live service. So what is it that makes the sinner more comfortable, if it's the same? The fear of God isnt falling in the same manner, maybe that's why some Christians are gravitating toward the livestream services themselves.
Online and virtual services seem to mostly bring about a lip service type of Christianity, that is mostly steeped in superstition if one looks closely. I know folks that wouldn't go near repentance, but they are quick to copy or share anything presented to them on social media, with the promise of a blessing. We really do folks a disfavor by going along with this virtual church stuff. It has its place, but it's not a replacement, not even close.

Brother this is an excellent post. I think this is going to be over, but we really don't understand the impact on some members after this is over. I believe many will come back, it is not that they are having fun and places to go in a situation like this anyways. They all probably can't wait to gather with other humans as they miss it badly. During the Spanish flu, when it was over, we didn't hear of a massive exodus of people from the church, it was quite the opposite.

We need broadcasting as we need letters, they are good and anointed (that's how we got the new testament); however, I agree that it is not enough. I just hope this goes away soon.

I honestly think we should cooperate with the community and show that we care. Love is greater than faith. A good compromise is splitting large assemblies in small groups of less than 10, and assign teachers to them, and then having leaders over 50, to keep the accountability. But for that to be a feasible, there should have been already a team of teachers in place. It only takes two or three to have church.

For the practical standpoint, if you have a cluster of believers that do protect themselves sufficiently from other people outside that cluster, then they may effectively protect the cluster. And if one of them get it and pass it to the rest, then they won't contribute to overwhelm the hospital as the cluster was small to begin with.

[Barb]

Originally Posted by Esaias

The problem is "this juncture" is intended to be essentially permanent.

Respectfully, you know this how...?

Did you hear a still small voice?

Did you receive some hidden memo the government is keeping from the masses?

Or has a gift of suspicion taking over?

Again, in all respect to you, you don't have a clue anymore than I do of how this is going to play out, so why can't we pray for the best, and trust the One who does know to handle His business.

How EVER this goes, God has ALWAYS had a people, and the Church will be triumphant!!!

My sincerest prayers for you and your family during this ordeal, and I would ask you to pray for us.

[james34]

1And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. 2But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. 3And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. 4These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. 5And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. 6These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

20The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches

If you read through the 7 churches, you find that only 2 were in a place where they were not told to repent. This means 2 of the 7 churches were acceptable before God.
My belief is that we each belong(in accordance to the life we are living) to one of these 7 churches. But there are only two that truly are standing by God. If our attributes put us in one of the other 5, we can repent and then would be in line with the other two, and not the 5. We would then be the faithful witnesses of God , throughout the earth wherever we may be.

Having said all of the above;
We will have at some point(possibly now) have power to smite the earth with all plagues.....
If we act in accordance with the majority of present day christianity (in forsaking the assembling) then every time a plague goes forth(sent by the witnesses) we would have to run and hide from the results of our own power.

[james34]

Originally Posted by Barb

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Originally Posted by Esaias View Post
The problem is "this juncture" is intended to be essentially permanent.
Respectfully, you know this how...?

Did you hear a still small voice?

Did you receive some hidden memo the government is keeping from the masses?

Or has a gift of suspicion taking over?

Again, in all respect to you, you don't have a clue anymore than I do of how this is going to play out, so why can't we pray for the best, and trust the One who does know to handle His business.

How EVER this goes, God has ALWAYS had a people, and the Church will be triumphant!!!

My sincerest prayers for you and your family during this ordeal, and I would ask you to pray for us.



Who is saying it's only short term?
Why is short term replacement acceptable, but not long term?
How long is short term?

[Barb]

Originally Posted by james34

Originally Posted by Esaias View Post
The problem is "this juncture" is intended to be essentially permanent.
Respectfully, you know this how...?

Did you hear a still small voice?

Did you receive some hidden memo the government is keeping from the masses?

Or has a gift of suspicion taking over?

Again, in all respect to you, you don't have a clue anymore than I do of how this is going to play out, so why can't we pray for the best, and trust the One who does know to handle His business.

How EVER this goes, God has ALWAYS had a people, and the Church will be triumphant!!!

My sincerest prayers for you and your family during this ordeal, and I would ask you to pray for us.



Who is saying it's only short term?
Why is short term replacement acceptable, but not long term?
How long is short term?

I don't know how long long is, but neither does anyone else. I am not saying this acceptable, but in the meantime I am trying to make the best of a situation that is out of my control.

Gotta go and put my homemade noodles on to simmer...

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Barb

Respectfully, you know this how...?

Did you hear a still small voice?

Did you receive some hidden memo the government is keeping from the masses?

Or has a gift of suspicion taking over?

Again, in all respect to you, you don't have a clue anymore than I do of how this is going to play out, so why can't we pray for the best, and trust the One who does know to handle His business.

How EVER this goes, God has ALWAYS had a people, and the Church will be triumphant!!!

My sincerest prayers for you and your family during this ordeal, and I would ask you to pray for us.

Sister, the CDC, the World Health Organization, the Bill Gates Foundation (which funds the WHO and controls the CDC), the WH Task Force members, etc are all saying this is not going to return to how things used to be. The government, the media, and Big Pharma are all saying this is basically the new normal. Have you not been paying attention to how this has all played out?

The "return to normalcy" is always "just around the corner" but we never seem to arrive. Why is that?

This plandemic is meant to provide for the introduction of 24/7 real-time monitoring of all people, internal passports ("immunity/vaccination papers"), elimination of cash in favour of all digital money, mandatory vaccinations, ID2020 (literally mandatory imicrochip implants), strict controls on employment, assembly, and purchases of only APPROVED items, constant shortages, artificial scarcities, I mean the list goes on and on. This isn't my opinion, this is what THEY HAVE THEMSELVES BEEN SAYING.

Most churches have obeyed their true Master, Big State aka BAAL. And will continue to do so. Over a decade ago it came out that some 20 THOUSAND+ pastors were enrolled with FEMA to specifically preach and teach subservience to all government edicts during a declared "emergency".

We've been warned about this since the 1920s! All those congressmen, ex-communists, even the communists themselves, all told America over and over that our government, schools, churches, universities, media, entertainment, even businesses, would be subverted and America would become communist without a shot being fired.

And here we are.

[Barb]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Sister, the CDC, the World Health Organization, the Bill Gates Foundation (which funds the WHO and controls the CDC), the WH Task Force members, etc are all saying this is not going to return to how things used to be. The government, the media, and Big Pharma are all saying this is basically the new normal. Have you not been paying attention to how this has all played out?

The "return to normalcy" is always "just around the corner" but we never seem to arrive. Why is that?

This plandemic is meant to provide for the introduction of 24/7 real-time monitoring of all people, internal passports ("immunity/vaccination papers"), elimination of cash in favour of all digital money, mandatory vaccinations, ID2020 (literally mandatory imicrochip implants), strict controls on employment, assembly, and purchases of only APPROVED items, constant shortages, artificial scarcities, I mean the list goes on and on. This isn't my opinion, this is what THEY HAVE THEMSELVES BEEN SAYING.

Most churches have obeyed their true Master, Big State aka BAAL. And will continue to do so. Over a decade ago it came out that some 20 THOUSAND+ pastors were enrolled with FEMA to specifically preach and teach subservience to all government edicts during a declared "emergency".

We've been warned about this since the 1920s! All those congressmen, ex-communists, even the communists themselves, all told America over and over that our government, schools, churches, universities, media, entertainment, even businesses, would be subverted and America would become communist without a shot being fired.

And here we are.

For the record, I HAVE been paying attention, thank you very much, but I don't believe everything I read and hear. I’m not hiding my head in the sand, but rather choose to look to a brighter day.

My former pastor said today, speaking about the hour in which we live, "It’s a valid reason today (for having service the way they are), but will it be a valid reason tomorrow?”

Who knows? Who can say that we will never again be allowed back in the church building? I don’t have a clue, but again, neither do you or Bishop Wilson. All any of us can do is speculate… in the meantime, I choose joy!

I will say that I have tried to be respectful here, but for you to say that “Most churches have obeyed their true master… BAAL!” This is a terrible thing to say about the household of faith!!!

I would ask what you would have us do, but it is useless again for me to continue this discussion. If we could share thoughts and ideas without the ridicule, I would gladly join in… but it’s hopeless.

As I said before, I am praying for you and your family… good day!

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Oh, high five from the guy who has been having virtual church since the 80s.

[Evang.Benincasa]

How are those virtual baptisms going?