Interesting article on the need for Apostolic TV..

[OP_Carl]

Originally Posted by Chewy

What other means would you suggest?

The church can buy a derelict house in an extremely poor neighborhood. They can make it watertight, put some tables and chairs in it, and feed the neighborhood kids on Sundays while their parents are passed out from the drugs/booze. Tell them about Jesus while they're chewing.

The days of 1950's door knocking has gone the way of the Edsel and Dot.com millionaires.

I disagree. People still sit in their houses and pray that God would send someone to them. We need to pray God to send us to them, and be led of the spirit to the seekers, and get out of the random blanketing of neighborhoods.

Again, the traditional apostolic mindset is this: Maintain our reputation and status quo above all, despite the FACT that the results of ANY and EVERY evangelistic effort are proportional to the effort put forth.

Whatever, man. Suffice it to say our experiences differ . . .

TV has become a tarbaby for the Apostolic Church.

Now that right there is funny!

It's an outrage! It's despicable! It's an insult to tarbabies everywhere!

Originally Posted by Theophilus

Who said any thing about the status quo? You?

You suppose now that door knocking cannot reach "just one?"

The FACT of TV "results" is certainly on display and NONE of it is of God.

You're right about maintaining a credible reputation as opposed to selling out to the mind-numbing tap dance. I'm guilty as charged.

I and my wife door knocked for years and years and do you know how many people are in church today as a direct result? 0, none, ziltch, goose-egg, nada. It is an outdated form of outreach. The same with passing out tracts. Do you know how many people are in church today because of my personal relationship with folks? Too many to count.

It is about personal testimony, friendship and trust, regardless of the media.

When talking to someone about Jesus who has been stigmatized against to going to church, what do you say? If you can't go or are not willing to go, at least give it a try, tune into Rod Parsley or TD Jakes, those churches are exactly like ours, you will enjoy it.

Great.

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Televising services and/or being on TBN is of dubious value.

I am aware of a number of people that might disagree with you here. Enter Jim and Tammy Faye. Introduce to you Oral Roberts. May I present to you Bishop Fulton Sheen. Care to get acquainted with Hour of Power, Herbert W. StrongundertheArm? How about Jimmy Swaggard, Rod Parsley, and a long list of others that I could name.

We've got to be careful, however, because this is not the only aspect of the larger television debate.

Right on!

I can see the devil and God in a debate.

"Hey! that's not FAIR! You stole those soul from me because T.V. was MY DOMAIN. You were not suppose come near it. I demand that you give 'em back!

"Sorry. I can't do it. Someone prayed "...thy kingdom come, thy WILL be DONE IN EARTH, as it is done in heaven. Just had to answer that prayer."

"But, I thought your folks were to just let your light shine just in the church houses and not out here on the airwaves."

"Yes, I told my disciples to let their light so shine before MEN that the world may see their GOOD works and glorify their father which is in heaven. They had to use T.V. to shine before men because that is where MEN ARE FOUND...day and night...usually with a beer in their hands."

"Well OK. Tell you what. I would like to buy about half of them back from you. What would you have to have to seal the deal?"

"No deal. They are too precious to me."

"Tell you what. I'll give you half the money in the world if I can buy back ol' Sam Jones because he really served me well before you came into his living room in one of those highrise apartment buildings in New York City and snatched him off his couch and made him a follower of you."

"Still no deal. For ol' sinnin' Sam Jones, I died, giving my own blood on a cruel cross for ol' sinnin' Sam. In fact, all the money in the world could not buy ol' sinnin' Sam from me. Once he is in my hands, there is nothing, absolutely nothing that can be used as barter to get him back. He is mine forever. Yes, I used the media of TV to reach him way up in that apartment in New York that no other media would or could have ever reached him."

"Aaagghaarraaaahhahhhhaaaa and those blasted followers of yours! I almost had them deceived to never go on T.V. because it was a bad influence on their little hand full. It almost worked until someone started teaching and adressing the issues of the heart rather than the evils of T.V."

"Sam, come here and testify, boy. Tell the devil that you are glad, he's mad, because he lost a lad that he thought he had. Testify Sam."

[deadeye]

The days of 1950's door knocking has gone the way of the Edsel and Dot.com millionaires.

I guess that this would explain why the Mormons and the Jaydubs are still doing it with great success.

The problem is that most Apostolics dont want to get off thier lazy rumps and do something.

In fact this is the reason I believe that so many are infatuated by the concept of TV ministry....they feel it will give them growth without personal commitment and sacrifice.

And the article by Kerr was a lousy excuse for TV ministry.

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Originally Posted by OP_Carl

The church can buy a derelict house in an extremely poor neighborhood. They can make it watertight, put some tables and chairs in it, and feed the neighborhood kids on Sundays while their parents are passed out from the drugs/booze. Tell them about Jesus while they're chewing.

Wow, this sounds more tangible and effective than TV.

I disagree. People still sit in their houses and pray that God would send someone to them. We need to pray God to send us to them, and be led of the spirit to the seekers, and get out of the random blanketing of neighborhoods.

You actually agree with me. I said that random blanketing of neighborhoods is ineffective, outdated, and did I say a misuse of resources?

You disagreed with my statement that a minstry effort is only as effective as the effort put forth to support that ministry effort? Hmmm, I thought that was soul wining and church growth 101.

1Timothy 6:10
For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

Originally Posted by deadeye

I guess that this would explain why the Mormons and the Jaydubs are still doing it with great success.

The problem is that most Apostolics dont want to get off thier lazy rumps and do something.

In fact this is the reason I believe that so many are infatuated by the concept of TV ministry....they feel it will give them growth without personal commitment and sacrifice.

And the article by Kerr was a lousy excuse for TV ministry.

Yea, the mormons and Jdubs are really winning souls. I hear all the time folks saying how thankful they were for those weirdos knocking on their doors on Saturday mornings.

I agree with the fact that Apostolics don't want to get off their lazy butts. This is really acknowledged by the conservative leadership when they stand against TV in principal. They are certain that only 20% constituency will do 80% of the work, therefore making TV unsuccessful in reaching souls.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by deadeye

I guess that this would explain why the Mormons and the Jaydubs are still doing it with great success.

The problem is that most Apostolics dont want to get off thier lazy rumps and do something.

In fact this is the reason I believe that so many are infatuated by the concept of TV ministry....they feel it will give them growth without personal commitment and sacrifice.

And the article by Kerr was a lousy excuse for TV ministry.

That is a mouthful and it is the truth. Let everyone else do it but me.

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

That is a mouthful and it is the truth. Let everyone else do it but me.

Let TV do the job, EVERYONE loves TV!

[deadeye]

I think there needs to be a emphasis on personal outreach.

We have a Swanns man that has been working in our town for the last month or so and he asked me for some cards, in the course of his day he handed one to a older couple and the next sunday the were in church and haven't missed. This sunsay she was praying and seeking the Lord.
I knocked on the door of a JW one time and 3 months later baptized her in Jesus name. Me and a brother used to do finding the field surveys and got and taught bibles studies as a result.
We have been working our nieghborhood and have seen several in church and one recieve the HG.

Dont tell me that door knocking and personal work doesn't work.