Is the Father the Son?

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

Believer do you believe that Christ existed as the Son of God before His virgin birth ? Can you reconcile GAL.4:4 with that ?

Gal 4:4 But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law,


two things to look at.

1. The Son was sent forth before He was born of a woman. Simple context observation.
2. The word sent forth means being sent from a place, thus proves he preexisted before his incarnation. Its not the same word used in John 1:6 as David Bernard tries to use.

[Scott Hutchinson]

Well in the virgin birth did not God manifest Himself in human flesh?

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Kansas Preacher

He Who was was the Son was God.

There, I answered your question. Now, please answer mine.

Was God?

Cant this be said about each manifestation, mode or person ... depending on your semantics ... of the Godhead?

Originally Posted by Kansas Preacher

You were responding before I was able to edit my post. Accordingly, I will say again what I later inserted: Had Jesus said, "God is three persons," He would have forever settled the issue. However He did not. Rather, He identified God as "Spirit."

You didn't really answer my question as to Who "God" is. You sidestepped it, so I will ask again. When you read the term "God" in the scripture, to Whom does that refer? It is a "floating" term that should be indiscriminately applied to whichever person of the Godhead you believe is being discussed? Or, is there a definite, conclusive answer to the question. I ask again, WHO IS "GOD"?

The scripture wasn’t meant to prove or disprove that God is triune. It simply states that God is Spirit.

God is "I AM." God is LORD. God is YHWH. God is God.

Isa 48:12 "Listen to Me, O Jacob, even Israel whom I called; I am He, I am the first, I am also the last.
Isa 48:13 "Surely My hand founded the earth, And My right hand spread out the heavens; When I call to them, they stand together.

Isa 48:16 "Come near to Me, listen to this: From the first I have not spoken in secret, From the time it took place, I was there. And now the Lord GOD has sent Me, and His Spirit."

[Kansas Preacher]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Was God?

Cant this be said about each manifestation, mode or person ... depending on your semantics ... of the Godhead?

I'm doing too many things at one time. You can't believe how many times I went back and edited that post.

Let me try again,

He who IS the Son IS God!

[Kansas Preacher]

Originally Posted by Believer

The scripture wasn’t meant to prove or disprove that God is triune. It simply states that God is Spirit.

God is "I AM." God is LORD. God is YHWH. God is God.

Isa 48:12 "Listen to Me, O Jacob, even Israel whom I called; I am He, I am the first, I am also the last.
Isa 48:13 "Surely My hand founded the earth, And My right hand spread out the heavens; When I call to them, they stand together.

Isa 48:16 "Come near to Me, listen to this: From the first I have not spoken in secret, From the time it took place, I was there. And now the Lord GOD has sent Me, and His Spirit."

In other words, you won't answer. Oh, well, I tried.

[Scott Hutchinson]

Believer you'll really good at making us prove what we believe.
You're proably one of those guys that knows both sides of a argument that could debate himself.

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

Well in the virgin birth did not God manifest Himself in human flesh?

The Word BECAME flesh, the Word is God, and He was with God. My question to you. Who was manifested?

1Jo 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

If the Son of God didn't exist before his incarnation, then He couldn't be the one that was manifested.

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

Believer you'll really good at making us prove what we believe.
You're proably one of those guys that knows both sides of a argument that could debate himself.

yes, I was Oneness for many years. Please understand, I'm not here to change you. I don't question your salvation. That isn't my place. I just like to talk and discuss. Its fun for me!

[Kansas Preacher]

Originally Posted by Believer

God is "I AM." God is LORD. God is YHWH. God is God.

Let me take this answer and see how you apply it to the scripture. If your definition of the identity of God is "I AM," then we should be able to substitute that in passages which mention "God" without problems.

Let's try John 1:1, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with I AM and the Word was I AM."

Verse 14, "And the Word (I AM) was made flesh ..."

I've got no problem with that, but I have an idea that you might.