There ARE other ways to minister than simply being voted in or "taking" a church. Many young men are choosing to walk alternative paths of Christian service.
There ARE other ways to minister than simply being voted in or "taking" a church. Many young men are choosing to walk alternative paths of Christian service.
As in???
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Writing books, conference speaking, skeletal fellowships across denominational barriers, chairing community action groups that support the needy, Christian counseling services, internet based ministries....
Writing books, conference speaking, skeletal fellowships across denominational barriers, chairing community action groups that support the needy, Christian counseling services, internet based ministries....
need I go on?
all of this is hogwash and you KNOW it... unless your spittin' screamin' and red faced and shallowed breath you ain't got a ministry!! come PP git wit the program!!
Writing books, conference speaking, skeletal fellowships across denominational barriers, chairing community action groups that support the needy, Christian counseling services, internet based ministries....
need I go on?
In my case, I work as a helper to my pastor in what ever roll is needed. I am not the pastor, I dont want his job, but that doesnt deminsh my roll, or my calling.
to some however, that means i am not a minister. they are completely wrong.
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In my case, I work as a helper to my pastor in what ever roll is needed. I am not the pastor, I dont want his job, but that doesnt deminsh my roll, or my calling.
to some however, that means i am not a minister. they are completely wrong.
all of this is hogwash and you KNOW it... unless your spittin' screamin' and red faced and shallowed breath you ain't got a ministry!! come PP git wit the program!!
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Originally Posted by Ferd
In my case, I work as a helper to my pastor in what ever role is needed. I am not the pastor, I dont want his job, but that doesnt diminsh my role, or my calling.
to some however, that means i am not a minister. they are completely wrong.
Ferd, it's easy for people who have never been there to minimize the importance of lay ministry. I guess the same thing goes for all ministry.
You know, there are other nontraditional ministries men and women can participate in as well.
House churches, prison ministry, legal counsel for Christian causes, teaching Christian apologetics at a college, creating and administrating autonomous Christian schools (apart from a local assembly).
Writing books, conference speaking, skeletal fellowships across denominational barriers, chairing community action groups that support the needy, Christian counseling services, internet based ministries....
need I go on?
so...they are "modifying" their calling for a better living?
If God calls a man to preach and puts him in a pastoral position are we suggesting God won't provide? It may not be easy, but if it's in the will of God...Just thinking out loud I guess.
I dont get it in those cases where the pastor is going to school to eventually do something else....if you are CALLED to so something...I dont know
I just dont believe God makes mistakes or puts people in a position then changes his mind or leaves them hanging.
Perhaps it's not God's will? Or someone somewhere isnt doing exactly what they are supposed to be doing?
It's a calling, not a career.
Perhaps some of these areas with 35 churches all competing for the same folks are not necessarily what God intended?
so...they are "modifying" their calling for a better living?
If God calls a man to preach and puts him in a pastoral position are we suggesting God won't provide? It may not be easy, but if it's in the will of God...Just thinking out loud I guess.
I dont get it in those cases where the pastor is going to school to eventually do something else....if you are CALLED to so something...I dont know
I just dont believe God makes mistakes or puts people in a position then changes his mind or leaves them hanging.
Perhaps it's not God's will? Or someone somewhere isnt doing exactly what they are supposed to be doing?
It's a calling, not a career.
Perhaps some of these areas with 35 churches all competing for the same folks are not necessarily what God intended?
I think you are viewing pastoral ministry through a very narrow lens. There are other ways to shepherd people than a Sunday sermon. I do agree that there are some men pastoring who are doing so outside of the call of God.
Further, no one has suggested ministry is just a career, but it most certainly is a calling and a career. There are certain financial realities at play here.
so...they are "modifying" their calling for a better living?
If God calls a man to preach and puts him in a pastoral position are we suggesting God won't provide? It may not be easy, but if it's in the will of God...Just thinking out loud I guess.
I dont get it in those cases where the pastor is going to school to eventually do something else....if you are CALLED to so something...I dont know
I just dont believe God makes mistakes or puts people in a position then changes his mind or leaves them hanging.
Perhaps it's not God's will? Or someone somewhere isnt doing exactly what they are supposed to be doing?
It's a calling, not a career.
Perhaps some of these areas with 35 churches all competing for the same folks are not necessarily what God intended?
How about a guy that is called to preach but has NO calling to pastor?
I had a conversation with an evangelest friend of mine the other day. we were talking about his ministry and the inevatablility of his becoming a pastor. He admitted to me the idea turns his stomach. He is not a patient guy and admits he really isnt a pastor at heart/calling. but being an evangelist he is starving and this guy is a VERY GOOD Evangelist who is known. but still he has pastors living the high life who wont pay him enough to support his family.
and T, you are right, those areas with 35 churches ARENT what God intended. but we are now 50 years late on the scene and the church is full of multi generations of folk who know better than God.
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