UPCI was so strict it was almost Amish: Kings of Leon

[CC1]

I think the problem is that some people do not seem capable of seperating the legalism from the relationship.

Especially if raised in churches where the legalism and emotionalism takes priority or at least is equal with any intellectual understanding of God's word it seems some people cant' wade past the first two to grasp the third.

While I absolutely believe that old time Pentecost places many extra biblical obstacles in peoples path to the Gospel I think those obstacles hinder more in reaching people outside the church than those raised in the church.

Also lets not forget the parable of the sower. Some ground is just rocky.

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

All of us will answer to God for wrong that we do, if indeed we are guilty and don't repent.

The thing is, I knew these boys and their family.

They were never "oppressed" by draconian pastors that I ever knew of.

Their dad was a nice guy, happy go lucky and a lot of fun.

And he was in no way a conservative or very strict.

lol

everyone in the UPC is conservative and strict in the grand scheme of conservative/liberal and strictness on earth...

yes, even me...

The point is they didn't say thier dad made them almost amish, they said the whole organization was almost amish.... HUGE difference...

[Kutless]

Originally Posted by redeemedcynic84

lol

its funny... they backslide, say how our rules make us almost amish (and they do) and all you can do is rip on thier dad for not ENFORCING THE RULES ENOUGH!!

good job pointing the blame on them instead of looking int he mirror and figureing out if you can learn anything from it...

who say he's not. No excuse for rejecting Jesus is good enough

[DividedThigh]

Originally Posted by redeemedcynic84

it is on us for allowing those horrible things to be done by people we call brothers...

by allowing our churches to, by and large, become more about rules and "looking the part" than about a relationship with Christ...

no, it isn't your fault personally...

but, as a corporate body, as a group, as the body of Christ, it is all of our fault for allowing this to continue and never standing up and saying "this is HURTING people!!"

while i agree, you would help yourself buddy if you let the bitterness go, i cant say that i am responsible for there hurts, but god knows what happened and if they reach to him he can handle it, i dont let people around me hurt kids or adults with that kind of attitude or preaching, love you brother, dt

Originally Posted by CC1

I think the problem is that some people do not seem capable of seperating the legalism from the relationship.

Especially if raised in churches where the legalism and emotionalism takes priority or at least is equal with any intellectual understanding of God's word it seems some people cant' wade past the first two to grasp the third.

While I absolutely believe that old time Pentecost places many extra biblical obstacles in peoples path to the Gospel I think those obstacles hinder more in reaching people outside the church than those raised in the church.

Also lets not forget the parable of the sower. Some ground is just rocky.

I think the "extra Biblical obstacles" hurt those in the church more...

look at it this way...

There are men on this board who argue that because of thier past in drug abuse and other things that they see a good reason for the rules and think they are good.

Those who come out of the world, those who were lost and dying and alone... They'll take on whatever obstacle we put in thier path if they get a little more peace than they had at the end...

But the kids in the church, the kids who supposedly "have no pain"... well, when those obstacles come up, they hurt... And, many times, those kids end up hurt more by the church than by anything else in the world...

and by the time they leave they've been hurt so bad that, even though we see it as little because we didn't get hurt hte same way as some of them did, that the obstacles are insurmountable because they became so big in thier minds....

a little hurt can be massively overblown ad grow to something huge in the mind of a teenager who feels alone, boxed in, and like everyone who is suppose to help them is actually hurting them...

Originally Posted by Kutless

who say he's not. No excuse for rejecting Jesus is good enough

I'm not giving them an excuse... I'm not saying they deserve a "get out of hell free" card if they never come back to Jesus...

I'm saying we need to learn from them and not allow the same mistakes to EVER happen again...

Originally Posted by DividedThigh

while i agree, you would help yourself buddy if you let the bitterness go, i cant say that i am responsible for there hurts, but god knows what happened and if they reach to him he can handle it, i dont let people around me hurt kids or adults with that kind of attitude or preaching, love you brother, dt

that's the thing, though... I'm really not bitter...

I'm not...

I am a little angry because I've seen so many who have fallen because no one ever cared to notice the hurt that was obviously there because they jumped through all the hoops (and jumping through the hoops, in thier minds, hurt worse than the pain that was already there, I'm sure)

the point is that the entire system, in and of itself no matter how careful you are, is going to hurt people... It purposefully ostracized us from the society we live in... And that HURTS kids... being the "wierd skirt-wearing kid" or the "kid who doesn't know about television" hurts... just like being the only kid with glasses or the only fat kid or the smartest kid or wahtever else hurts... The only difference is that your parents are FORCING you to take on that pain, rather than it just being something natural that you need to deal with...

[Coonskinner]

I make no excuses for legalists and dictatorial pastors, but i think we live in a day when people have no clue what "hurt' really is.

When people around the world are being tortured and put to death for their faith, we've got crybabies needing counseling because somebody told them they couldn't go to the movies.

Sickening.

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

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Originally Posted by CC1

You should have highlighted the last paragraph. That is the saddest.

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It would seem that was not the point Daniel wanted to bring emphasis to for the readers of his posts at AFF.

What do you see?
I see yet another attempt to bash the UPC as the problem, when it was the choice of drinking that was the problem.

[SDG]

For the crybabies in the thread I've highlighted the second paragraph.

I stumbled on this article this morning simply because Google News Alerts sent it to my inbox. I've been monitoring the secular news for possible stories about the passing of the TV resolution.

As one news channel says ... "We report, you decide" ....

BTW, another story about a rock band boozing it up would not have piqued our interest.