Got word today that Bishop Jones, Pastor of City of Refuge in los Angeles Announced to his church that he is leaving the PAW.
It was posted on the forum last week that Braizer was leaving. he has a church of 25,000 members in chicago.
So, the 2 largest churches are leaving and a lot of pastors that look up to these 2 are leaving also.
The PAW is going Thru a MAJOR Shaking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
what part of it is, Braizer and Jones wants the PAW to become mainstream. they started inviting Non - ONeness speakers to their National convention which has caused a firestorm.
most of the Major Oneness orgs are going thru a hugh shift, sift & shaking
Brazier and Jones leaving the PAW may in fact be a Godsend for them. The PAW has been compromised on issues of doctrine and worldliness for a long time. It is no secret that they have had two years of protest at their National Convocation because of false doctrine being the guest speakers.
That is IMO a great slap in the face of the faithful ministers that have been true to the message for years. The PAW once had the greatest preachers alive and their history was rich with true doctrine preachers.
Until recently I have been around the PAW for years. Nobody can know their history and point to their present state and consider it progress. How can hobnobbing with Hollywood, promoting false doctrine and perversion in their music departments be progress when it has destroyed a once strong organization?
Many of their men don't even believe the Apostolic doctrine and some of their churches are now pastored by trinitarians.
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Brazier and Jones leaving the PAW may in fact be a Godsend for them. The PAW has been compromised on issues of doctrine and worldliness for a long time. It is no secret that they have had two years of protest at their National Convocation because of false doctrine being the guest speakers.
That is IMO a great slap in the face of the faithful ministers that have been true to the message for years. The PAW once had the greatest preachers alive and their history was rich with true doctrine preachers.
Until recently I have been around the PAW for years. Nobody can know their history and point to their present state and consider it progress. How can hobnobbing with Hollywood, promoting false doctrine and perversion in their music departments be progress when it has destroyed a once strong organization?
Many of their men don't even believe the Apostolic doctrine and some of their churches are now pastored by trinitarians.
okay, but the thing is ,Braizer is the man who keeps PAW afloat finanacially. that's how it's going to hurt. also,because Jones is so successful, the younger generation will likley follow his example.
I do know too that Braizer has pushed "eternal security" for years.
I doubt if any of their churches are pastored by outright trinitarians
okay, but the thing is ,Braizer is the man who keeps PAW afloat finanacially. that's how it's going to hurt. also,because Jones is so successful, the younger generation will likley follow his example.
I do know too that Braizer has pushed "eternal security" for years.
I doubt if any of their churches are pastored by outright trinitarians
Thad,
I believe it to be true. Before Bishop Morris Golder (one of my favorite preachers) passed away he spoke to us openly about the condition of the PAW and said that they were, at that present time, averaging either (a) one Church a month electing a trinitarian Pastor or (b) one PAW preacher a month taking the Pastorate of a trinitarian Church.
Remis Wright from a Baptist Church in Houston is a good example of that. He, himself, was a Golder disciple.
The numbers may have slightly changed but, sincerely, in a few more years - short of a drastic change - you'll not see a nickel's difference in a truth preaching PAW and a false doctrine preaching COGIC. In most areas you can't tell a difference already.
I believe it to be true. Before Bishop Morris Golder (one of my favorite preachers) passed away he spoke to us openly about the condition of the PAW and said that they were, at that present time, averaging either (a) one Church a month electing a trinitarian Pastor or (b) one PAW preacher a month taking the Pastorate of a trinitarian Church.
Remis Wright from a Baptist Church in Houston is a good example of that. He, himself, was a Golder disciple.
The numbers may have slightly changed but, sincerely, in a few more years - short of a drastic change - you'll not see a nickel's difference in a truth preaching PAW and a false doctrine preaching COGIC. In most areas you can't tell a difference already.
I didn't know it was like that doctrinally. there statment of faith has never changed so I took it for granted that most still preached accordingly with a few fringe pastors. I did know that Jones & Braizer have had a huge influence over the younger generation of PAW ministry.
I did know that there was some major names out there that were "undercover" oneness BUT didn't know there were any outright Trinitarians pastoring actual PAW churches
I hope the rest of the Hairy Ticks leave too! They need to get the presideing prelate to take off also!
Horace Smith is siding with Braizer from what i was told- now that is like WOW! a big mess! IF your top leader is siding with those who are leaving, what signal does that send to the rest of the body?? WHY should they stay?
Horace Smith is siding with Braizer from what i was told- now that is like WOW! a big mess! IF your top leader is siding with those who are leaving, what signal does that send to the rest of the body?? WHY should they stay?
I am hoping this is a signal that the old guard is flexing a little muscle and intends to move the organization back to being Apostolic.
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Thad, on standards, I think there should be room for a wide range. On doctrine, I have adovated that the UPCI allow PCI and PAJC views.
however Brazier and the rest of these guys have abandoned Oneness doctrine, and have embraced all manner of false doctrine that have been rejected by every stripe of Apostolic movements.
I believe that we need to be inclusive of the Pan-Apostolic movement but when a guys quits being Apostolic, we dont have to continue being inclusive.
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