Tulsa: A Description from a Coordinator of the Meeting - Page 4

#1 10-31-2007, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by irish1

So Bro. Steadfast is with a committee member from the Tulsa meeting personally, one-on-one, face-to-face, actually speaks with him and knows him and received firsthand information and people here refuse to believe him. You know better than actually speaking to the man? Basically you are saying that this committee member is an out-and-out liar and that Bro. Steadfast is inferior to you intellectually because you can see through the lie from your laptop miles and miles away but he cannot speaking in person to the individual.

Bump. Bump.

Since you posted almost the exact same thing while I was I thought I'd follow you up this time.

Joseph Miller · #2 10-31-2007, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by irish1

So Bro. Steadfast is with a committee member from the Tulsa meeting personally, one-on-one, face-to-face, actually speaks with him and knows him and received firsthand information and people here refuse to believe him. You know better than actually speaking to the man? Basically you are saying that this committee member is an out-and-out liar and that Bro. Steadfast is inferior to you intellectually because you can see through the lie from your laptop miles and miles away but he cannot speaking in person to the individual.

Search the world over and you will not find a better preacher nor a more respectable man than steadfast.

#3 10-31-2007, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Joseph Miller

Search the world over and you will not find a better preacher nor a more respectable man than steadfast.

Thank you Gentlemen!

After perusing the posts on the thread I once again reiterate:
The truth isn't as sensational as the fabrications... but it's still the truth and that's all that matters.

For the record, when I asked him point blank and he answered me the Assistant General Superintendent was sitting right beside me and never questioned it one time.

The indication is that it was an 'understood' thing as to why they were having this meeting.

Ultimately truth, Gentlemen, is a faithful friend.

Steve Epley · #4 10-31-2007, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Steadfast

Thank you Gentlemen!

After perusing the posts on the thread I once again reiterate:
The truth isn't as sensational as the fabrications... but it's still the truth and that's all that matters.

For the record, when I asked him point blank and he answered me the Assistant General Superintendent was sitting right beside me and never questioned it one time.

The indication is that it was an 'understood' thing as to why they were having this meeting.

Ultimately truth, Gentlemen, is a faithful friend.

Well that is NOT what they are telling all over the country. This is interesting. LB has been actively speaking to your independent neighbors trying to soliticit them. JH-TM-AL-CD-SM-JC I have spoken to many of these guys. Then my contacts out West like RG-JW-VM are saying the same thing?

Pastor G · #5 10-31-2007, 05:52 PM

I believe you were told what you say you were told, Steadfast... However, I have corresponded with one of the men listed on the Tulsa flyer, who has already, as people say, turned his card in and has used the term "alternative fellowship" when describing the meeting that is to take place... It sounds like either some of the men on the post card have different ideas of what is to take place... Or some are not ready to admit it..

God Bless

pelathais · #6 10-31-2007, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Steadfast

Thank you Gentlemen!

After perusing the posts on the thread I once again reiterate:
The truth isn't as sensational as the fabrications... but it's still the truth and that's all that matters.

For the record, when I asked him point blank and he answered me the Assistant General Superintendent was sitting right beside me and never questioned it one time.

The indication is that it was an 'understood' thing as to why they were having this meeting.

Ultimately truth, Gentlemen, is a faithful friend.

I suppose time will tell what the truth is. There are many men of "this crowd" who have already pulled out of the UPC over the last few years. And when they are not speaking in front of an Assistant GS, some of the coordinators have expressed a great deal of antipathy for the UPC as a whole.

My impression is that they would love to see a huge ground swell at Tulsa that will sweep these men into the national offices that "they deserve;" but they don't know for certain that they'll see such support so they're hedging their bets by being respectful whenever a UPC official shows up.

There are men on the flyer who have complained for years that they've been elbowed out of the positions that their talents have made them worthy of (and they may even have a point!). There are a lot of different agendas at work here.

What I have seen is a bunch of guys who were raised and trained to really despise some of their brethren. While some of the "coordinators" have a kinder spirit than that, there is something of a groundswell to be finally rid of "the compromisers" one way or another.

CC1 · #7 10-31-2007, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Steadfast

I just preached a very unique conference last week with two great Men of God. On one hand I had one of the Assistant General Superintendants and on the other hand I had one of the Coordinators of the Tulsa meeting.

For all the talk about 'recruiting' and 'stealing members' and 'unethical' that abounds I have to tell you that this isn't the spirit of the coordinators at all! They are kind gentlemen that are simply providing a grass roots meeting to discuss what steps to take to maintain an Apostolic atmosphere without the diminishing of Apostolic distinctives.

I spent several days with them and - AMAZINGLY - not one time did they ask me to come to the meeting (I'm personal friends with most of the names on the mail out and have never been asked or recruited to come) or to drag others with me if I should decide to go.

We had several candid conversations about recent events and I asked the coordinator point blank if the meeting was going to be a 'preaching' type meeting, a bloodbath or what... only to be told that what they want to do is NOTHING that would require anybody to leave the UPC. They simply want to talk options, hear suggestions and reiterate our goals as Apostolics.

I know this will seriously upset some people to know that it will neither be a...

Gripe session
UPC bashing meeting
Flashback to the vicious splits of days gone by or
A 'let's march out and make a statement' type meeting.

It's a meeting to gather suggestions and find a way to network men together who have begun to lose faith in the direction the Apostolic movement as a whole is going.

And, for what it's worth, I've talked to many who are involved or going to this meeting and have yet to hear any viciousness in their voices. Just a little sadness for the most part.

Thus, what most have surmised, heard gossiped about or interjected their own fabrications about... simply isn't true.

Steadfast,

I have never felt like this meeting would be one with the animosity and bitterness that characterized the last big conservative uprising within the UPC.

As I posted yesterday on another thread many of these men organizing this meeting are seasoned mature preachers with reputations of integrity.

I do think it is not accurate to say that this meeting is not to chart a path forward that most likely includes these men leaving the UPC for whatever organization they plant the seeds for at this meeting. That is reality.

It is not that these men are having this meeting to pull men away from the UPC but rather that this meeting is to accomodate those men who are already pulling away from the UPC over these disagreements over "direction".

mizpeh · #8 10-31-2007, 08:34 AM

IAM,

This is the part that confuses me because it sounds like if these men are not going to do anything that would cause someone to turn in their card, then how could this meeting be about forming a new org? maybe they are thinking along the line of a conservative NCO?

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what they want to do is NOTHING that would require anybody to leave the UPC.

A new org would require folks to leave the UPC.