You Be The Judge: Anderson Vs Burk - Page 40

ChTatum · #**391** 03-28-2009, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TK Burk

Thanks for your honesty.

"Catching away"? NO

AFP teaches a resurrection, not a rapture.

"Own judgment at death"? YES

How does this position fit with 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18?

TK Burk · #**392** 03-28-2009, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ChTatum

How does this position fit with 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18?

Good question.

Daniel 12:1-2, 7 gives the timing of the resurrection occurring at the same time of Jerusalem’s AD70 judgment. 1 Thessalonians 4 refers to this time and agrees that those asleep in their graves at that time would arise and go to be with the Lord forever. The believers “alive and remain" were not resurrected in the AD70 resurrection, because they were not then asleep in their graves. However, those saints didn’t miss the resurrection, for they were similarly promised to be transformed beyond their flesh when they departed this life. When that time came, they left their physical bodies and their spiritual bodies went on to be with the Lord forever. This is the same promised resurrection that every Saint of God has today.

If you want to see more on Fulfilled Eschatology’s "CLOUDS" being biblical imagery, read: 1 of 2 and 2 of 2

If you want more on Fulfilled Eschatology’s “ASLEEP IN THE GRAVE” read this: 1 of 2 and 2 of 2

If you want to see more on Fulfilled Eschatology’s “RESURRECTION,” read: 1 of 3 and 2 of 3 and 3 of 3

Also this one: HERE

ChTatum · #**393** 03-28-2009, 08:24 PM

In reading the 12th chapter of Daniel, I see no reason to apply this solely to the overthrow in 70AD.

Perhaps my skull is too thick.

mfblume · #**394** 03-28-2009, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ChTatum

All right, I readily acknowledge my ignorance on the subject of preterism.

History lesson: Preterism existed before dispensationalism as taught in most oneness churches ever existed. Disp only came into being in its present form in 1830.

Jason B · #**395** 03-28-2009, 08:47 PM

History Lesson part 2-If Jesus came back already (and the rapture happened), somebody would have noticed!

Steve Epley · #**396** 03-28-2009, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by TJJJ

EpleyThe Bible says in:2Co 11:3.. But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 2Co 11:4.. For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. You have written that if someone preaches Full Pret that they are lost... You Sir, are preaching another Gospel than what is truth!.. You have made something salvational that is not salvational... You and your ilk are spreading discourse, of which is an abomination unto God!.. So you are preaching another Jesus!.. None of the Partials or Full P's have made their stand, publically, that this is a salvational issue... Yet you have!.. You have added to the Gospel which is,:1Co 2:1.. And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God. 1Co 2:2.. For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified. The death, burial and ressurection is the Gospel... Eschatology has nothing to do with it... You can preach pre, mid, post, historist, partial or full and still not deviate from the Gospel... When you add to the Gospel and make it salvational then you have created another Jesus... And NO, I am not a Full Preterist, nor do I claim to be a Partial Preterist... I do see where they attempt to come from... I have my own leanings that, as time goes on, I share less and less as I see the emnity men have towards those who differ in one point or another... I have a feeling that if it wasn't Preterism then men would find a difference about holiness, as long as it was what they thought.Sorry, I call it like I see it!Reply?

If Jesus is not coming again and there is no resurrection of the dead or no future judgment of the wicked then Jesus and the Apostles preached a lie. His return is part of the gospel.

TJJJ · #**397** 03-28-2009, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason

History Lesson part 2-If Jesus came back already (and the rapture happened), somebody would have noticed!

Jason, do you realize that Jesus did come back already, once! We call it the day of Pentecost!

Even David Bernard, in his book the Oneness of God acknowledges that!

If you don't believe that then you are Trinitarian, as you have to seperate Jesus from the Holy Ghost!

TJJJ · #**398** 03-28-2009, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

If Jesus is not coming again and there is no resurrection of the dead or no future judgment of the wicked then Jesus and the Apostles preached a lie. His return is part of the gospel.

With all due respect, what verses are you claiming that from Sir?

Jason B · #**399** 03-28-2009, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by TK Burk

Jason, I most certainly DID reply to you—with Scripture.

RIGHT HERE

However, you never did respond to my answer….

Bro. Burk, that was hardly a defense, more like an editorial or letter to the editor. There is alot of spin put on that scripture to attempt to make it irrelevant. When in reality it speaks to the heart of the preterism doctrine.

bro. burk, that scripture plainly deal with what you have accepted. Since this is obvious, your wrote an article explaining away the meaning of the scripture. But when read in plain langue and in real context, it has flashing red lights all over it "DANGER-DANGER-DANGER".

What would be the point of that being in scripture, if it were irrelevant, and not heresy before the new testament was even completed. So that throught the next 2000 years, we would read those who teach the ressurection is past overthrow the faith of some-then have to have someone explain to us-"NOT REALLY, just when that scripture was written, it's ok now."?

TJJJ · #**400** 03-28-2009, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason

Brother, I've NEVER said they were hell-bound, but that the source of their doctrine is not the BIBLE. I believe it is a lie. Just like the trinity. Good people believe in the trinity, and these good brothers believe in full preterism. It is still ERROR.

Jason,

So much of what we say we believe, as far as end-time prophecy is trinitarian in doctrine. You profess that you are against the trinity but you cling to a trinitarian dispensational doctrine. That is adverse to the oneness as it splits up Jesus and the Holy Ghost!

This is not so much about eschatology as it is about the fundamental doctrine of the oneness.