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11-03-2013, 02:16 PM
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Re: Bombshell- Considering going back to the UPC
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Originally Posted by Jason Badejo
Update: Finally visited a UPC church this morning.
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11-03-2013, 03:08 PM
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Update: Finally visited a UPC church this morning.
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I am in sackcloth and ashes
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11-03-2013, 04:39 PM
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Re: Bombshell- Considering going back to the UPC
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It went ok. Enjoyed the music. The message was good. I would say philosophically I found a lot that was agreeable (the preacher spoke about the dangers of worldliness and the need for holiness-not in the context of extremes, but principles). There were a lot of obviously new or non-upc people there, and 4 people were baptized.
of course there were some things doctrinally I didn't agree with-more than one person speaking in tongues at a time with no interpretation during the worship and altar call, the suggestion that sins were forgiven at water baptism (although this isn't that much of a big deal to me, but it does cause a quandary for those who say speaking in tongues is necessary for salvation-if someones sins are washed away in baptism, then how can they not be saved?) And of course the suggestion that tongues is the initial evidence, and the mention of tithing. But none of those things were central to the service (worship/preaching) and most were mentioned during the altar call and baptismal service).
Did it change my mind about anything? No. Would I be open to another visit in the future? Possibly.
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"The only man who has the right to say he is justified by grace alone is the man who has left all to follow Christ." ~Dietrich Bonheoffer, The Cost of Discipleship
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11-03-2013, 04:42 PM
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Re: Bombshell- Considering going back to the UPC
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I would also add that the church was moderate (some would probably even say liberal), and it was actually a refreshing UPC atmosphere considering some of the things I've seen in the past. It seems like they would have been better off just listening to Loren Yadon in the first place, but it seems his ideas will win out in the end anyhow, if that church was an indication of the direction the UPC is moving in.
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"Resolved: That all men should live to the glory of God. Resolved, secondly: That whether or not anyone else does, I will." ~Jonathan Edwards
"The only man who has the right to say he is justified by grace alone is the man who has left all to follow Christ." ~Dietrich Bonheoffer, The Cost of Discipleship
"Preachers who should be fishing for men are now too often fishing for compliments from men." ~Leonard Ravenhill
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11-03-2013, 07:55 PM
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Re: Bombshell- Considering going back to the UPC
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Originally Posted by Jason Badejo
It went ok. Enjoyed the music. The message was good. I would say philosophically I found a lot that was agreeable (the preacher spoke about the dangers of worldliness and the need for holiness-not in the context of extremes, but principles). There were a lot of obviously new or non-upc people there, and 4 people were baptized.
of course there were some things doctrinally I didn't agree with-more than one person speaking in tongues at a time with no interpretation during the worship and altar call, the suggestion that sins were forgiven at water baptism (although this isn't that much of a big deal to me, but it does cause a quandary for those who say speaking in tongues is necessary for salvation-if someones sins are washed away in baptism, then how can they not be saved?) And of course the suggestion that tongues is the initial evidence, and the mention of tithing. But none of those things were central to the service (worship/preaching) and most were mentioned during the altar call and baptismal service).
Did it change my mind about anything? No. Would I be open to another visit in the future? Possibly.
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On the tongues issue it shows that one has received the holy spirit as it is taught. Without the spirit of Christ we are none of his.
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11-03-2013, 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Rudy
On the tongues issue it shows that one has received the holy spirit as it is taught. Without the spirit of Christ we are none of his.
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Assuming tongues us the only initial evidence that one has received the Spirit.
However the fact that most OPs believe sins are washed away at baptism leaves them with a soteriology which says the sinners sins are forgiven, covered under the blood of Jesus but they are still lost until they speak in tongues....which is years for some and never for others.
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"Resolved: That all men should live to the glory of God. Resolved, secondly: That whether or not anyone else does, I will." ~Jonathan Edwards
"The only man who has the right to say he is justified by grace alone is the man who has left all to follow Christ." ~Dietrich Bonheoffer, The Cost of Discipleship
"Preachers who should be fishing for men are now too often fishing for compliments from men." ~Leonard Ravenhill
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11-03-2013, 09:16 PM
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Re: Bombshell- Considering going back to the UPC
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Originally Posted by Jason Badejo
It went ok. Enjoyed the music. The message was good. I would say philosophically I found a lot that was agreeable (the preacher spoke about the dangers of worldliness and the need for holiness-not in the context of extremes, but principles). There were a lot of obviously new or non-upc people there, and 4 people were baptized.
of course there were some things doctrinally I didn't agree with-more than one person speaking in tongues at a time with no interpretation during the worship and altar call, the suggestion that sins were forgiven at water baptism (although this isn't that much of a big deal to me, but it does cause a quandary for those who say speaking in tongues is necessary for salvation-if someones sins are washed away in baptism, then how can they not be saved?) And of course the suggestion that tongues is the initial evidence, and the mention of tithing. But none of those things were central to the service (worship/preaching) and most were mentioned during the altar call and baptismal service).
Did it change my mind about anything? No. Would I be open to another visit in the future? Possibly.
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If only that played "coming home" during the altar call they probably would have had you for sure.
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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11-04-2013, 05:51 AM
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Re: Bombshell- Considering going back to the UPC
I'm confused. Are you still pastoring Jason? Or going back to another church, possibly UPC?
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11-04-2013, 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Nitehawk013
I'm confused. Are you still pastoring Jason? Or going back to another church, possibly UPC?
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Yes. Its just that yesterday the opportunity presented itself to visit somewhere on a Sunday AM. I'm still at Fellowship Bible Church.
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"Resolved: That all men should live to the glory of God. Resolved, secondly: That whether or not anyone else does, I will." ~Jonathan Edwards
"The only man who has the right to say he is justified by grace alone is the man who has left all to follow Christ." ~Dietrich Bonheoffer, The Cost of Discipleship
"Preachers who should be fishing for men are now too often fishing for compliments from men." ~Leonard Ravenhill
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11-04-2013, 08:33 AM
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Re: Bombshell- Considering going back to the UPC
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Originally Posted by Jason Badejo
Yes. Its just that yesterday the opportunity presented itself to visit somewhere on a Sunday AM. I'm still at Fellowship Bible Church.
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I feel sorry for the people you pastor. It would be very unfortunate to have a pastor that didnt know what he believed.
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