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Old 11-02-2014, 02:59 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe

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Could you give me a verse that states the bolded? Thanks.
I think the word for lust is probably akin to "desire".
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Old 11-02-2014, 05:28 PM
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Prax, you can find a very small idea from many concepts in the religious world in ANY of our belief systems today. Most beliefs systems in the world are founded on "partial" truth.
The Catholic Church believes that Jesus is God. Do you believe that Jesus is God?
You and the pope both agree together that Jesus is God, you both believe was born, Jesus lived on earth. Jesus did miracles, Jesus was our sacrifice and Jesus ascended into heaven.

Prax, you greatly resemble a Catholic to me.

Ridiculous???

Thats how you sound when you dont allow a man to have an independent point of view when his view has a minor similarity with anothers' stated belief.

Bottom line, if I call you a Catholic, even though you have some minor similarities,, I am Lying.

If you assign to me some other religious name, even though we have some minor similarities, you are Lying.

Prax, try not to lie about me, its a sin....
Colossians 3:9-10

9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;

10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him
You can call me whatever you want. Ive been called a lot of bad things. It does not bother me.

The fact is I was not lying when I said you believed in two persons. God and Jesus. That is a fact that everyone can see now.
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Do you think that we cannot move God to do something out of anger here? Just defy Him and you will find out. However, whatever the Lord does out of ANGER in response to our defiance...it is not a sin. God CANNOT be tempted with EVIL or to do what He considers evil.

Neither will He tempt any man with EVIL.
You can't MOVE God to do evil.

Trying to tempt someone to do evil and that person DOING evil are not the same things
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I believe in these statements in their entirety, thanks. Good stuff.

You believe the Son is the Creator become the Son?

You believe Jesus, before the resurrection, had two Natures, Divine and Human?

You believe the great God came as a man?

You believe God was born as a man?
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  2. The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
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  4. That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
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Old 11-02-2014, 06:21 PM
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe

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You can call me whatever you want. Ive been called a lot of bad things. It does not bother me.

The fact is I was not lying when I said you believed in two persons. God and Jesus. That is a fact that everyone can see now.


Yep, there are 2. An omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient God(SPIRIT) dwelling in a glorified human being named Jesus, Gods only HUMAN son.
Since the ascention, the 2 entities(God and man) are united as one God.(no more separate wills either)
Its not God in God, but God in Christ.(our glorified sacrifice)


2 Corinthians 5:19
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.





AKA....2 Corinthians 5:19....

19 To wit, that God(Father) was in Christ(son), reconciling the world unto himself(Father), not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.



They were united in completeness after the Ascention.....This is our "new" Jesus after the acsention....

13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.

14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;

15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.

16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.

17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:

18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.


It is a little different than this Jesus before the ascention...

John 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.

21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.

22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;

27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.

28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.


2 Beings(Spirit being and human being)...2 wills....Before the ascencion.
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Re: Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Fathe

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You believe the Son is the Creator become the Son?

No, the creator did not "become" the son.(God did not "become" a man) The creator gave birth to the son and dwelt inside the son.

You believe Jesus, before the resurrection, had two Natures, Divine and Human?

Yes, he had his own nature(human from Mary. he spoke like a human half the time to prove that, without a human nature he would not have been a true natural human) and the nature of God(the Holy Ghost inside him) Luke 4:1 And Jesus(son or man) being full of the Holy Ghost(Spirit of the Father) returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,

You believe the great God came as a man?

Yes, first the great God had to give birth to this man to be able to dwell in the man.....1 Timothy 3:16....

16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God(Father) was manifest(revealed) in(inside) the flesh(son), justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

It does not say that God became a man, but God was revealed to the world IN(inside) the son (man).




You believe God was born as a man?
No, God is not a man, An omnipresent God cannot become a man, however He can give birth to a man and dwell in that man.....Jesus could even help you with that one...

John 4:24...God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

How can God be "born as a man" when the man you are referring to said himself... "God is a Spirit"?

Was Jesus referring to himself as a Spirit?

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Yep, there are 2. An omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient God(SPIRIT) dwelling in a glorified human being named Jesus, Gods only HUMAN son.
That is what I have been saying all along. I am not a liar.

That is not even close to Oneness. That is Twoness
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  4. That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
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No, God is not a man, An omnipresent God cannot become a man, however He can give birth to a man and dwell in that man.....Jesus could even help you with that one...

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So again, I lied not. You do NOT agree with those quotes I posted
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  4. That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
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Sean i quoted the Hebrew lexicon definition of the Hebrew word for tempt and it said test. Argue with the Hebrew. You actually argue with Hebrew scholars who do know Hebrew. Any thing to not admit error eh?
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Jesus as a man had lusts. Every human has lusts. We just do not fulfill them. We're tempted to, but we must not.
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Could you give me a verse that states the bolded? Thanks.
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