Pastors move to withhold/lessen SFC offerings in protest of NAYC

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Originally Posted by Sherri

A dance is a dance is a dance! I was raised very liberal standard-wise, but dancing was a no-no. Every class party I went to, my cousin and I were the designated record player workers!

Did you graduate up to the 8-tracks?

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Sheltiedad

I don't think my parents knew they were having us do the hokey pokey and square dancing in elementary school... The school probably never even imagined that something like that could be considered an issue that they needed to inform the parents about (and who could blame them? lol)

I remember being in grade school and the big day for our grade-wide performances came. I must've been in the 1st or 2cd grade .... We had prepared to do the hokey-pokey and the alley cat ...

I felt so "convicted" as we practiced in the weeks anticipating the performance and kept it from my parents ...

on the day of ... while mom was getting me ready ... and I knew that my parents might be attending ....

I broke down and cried. I told mom that I didn't want to go to school because we would be dancing and I didn't want to sin before God and them. Mom explained to me that it was no biggie ....

It's amazing to think about some of the myths we were taught or how we often misapplied teachings due to the culture around us.

Originally Posted by LadyRev

LAME stick thing? Well now...thats purely a matter of opinion and you are entitled to it. But I can promise you this, come watch the stick drama team at my church just once and you won't be using the word "lame" for it!

Btw, I'm the director of the team...and I don't do "lame".

I don't mean any offense with that...

I just don't like it... lol

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Neckstadt

My words to your strong challenge would be.

The fastest way to cause change is to withhold money from an organization.

When a store or service provider gives you bad service.

The first thing you do is complain and if that goes without notice.

You stop going to or using the service.

Men behind the pulpit teach us to be concerned with where our dollars are going and to be conscience of our political leaders.

Then they shy behind the "Man of God" curtain to accomplish many of the same failures as the political machine.

We should use the same common sense towards even our local church and international leadership of our faith.

There is more to "render unto Caesar what is Ceasar's and unto God what is God's" than just giving money. Matt 22:21

Are you saying that the saints should follow the lead of their pastors? If the saint doesn't like the preaching, withhold tithes and offerings? I agree that in most cases that would be the quickest path to change.

My real concern is this: There is an important discussion that we need to have about issues. We need that discussion to be open and free. We need these pastors to actually speak up publically with their concerns. They need to state their opinions and sign their names to those opinions. Then let the debate go on.

Instead the "conservative" branch of the UPC often refuses to come out in the open. They refuse to participate in the Oneness Symposiums, they refuse to share in an open discussion. When they have a resolution to present- they LIE - ban me if you will, but they LIED - and refuse to allow a full discussion of the issues.

What are the "conservatives" trying to hide here?

And I use the word "conservative" in quotes because this party is not really "conservative." They are as radical as Leninists.

Originally Posted by pelathais

Are you saying that the saints should follow the lead of their pastors? If the saint doesn't like the preaching, withhold tithes and offerings? I agree that in most cases that would be the quickest path to change.

My real concern is this: There is an important discussion that we need to have about issues. We need that discussion to be open and free. We need these pastors to actually speak up publically with their concerns. They need to state their opinions and sign their names to those opinions. Then let the debate go on.

Instead the "conservative" branch of the UPC often refuses to come out in the open. They refuse to participate in the Oneness Symposiums, they refuse to share in an open discussion. When they have a resolution to present- they LIE - ban me if you will, but they LIED - and refuse to allow a full discussion of the issues.

What are the "conservatives" trying to hide here?

And I use the word "conservative" in quotes because this party is not really "conservative." They are as radical as Leninists.

you know...

it sickens me more than the possibility of a split that "parties" exist...

how disgusting that we can't even get to 100 years old without proving that we are just like everyone else???

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by redeemedcynic84

you know...

it sickens me more than the possibility of a split that "parties" exist...

how disgusting that we can't even get to 100 years old without proving that we are just like everyone else???

We should not get by one year without proving we're just like everyone else.

Originally Posted by mfblume

We should not get by one year without proving we're just like everyone else.

I meant all the denominations that came before us that perverted the truth... that is how they got to where they are now that we rip on them for...

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Neckstadt

My words to your strong challenge would be.

The fastest way to cause change is to withhold money from an organization.

When a store or service provider gives you bad service.

The first thing you do is complain and if that goes without notice.

You stop going to or using the service.

Men behind the pulpit teach us to be concerned with where our dollars are going and to be conscience of our political leaders.

Then they shy behind the "Man of God" curtain to accomplish many of the same failures as the political machine.

We should use the same common sense towards even our local church and international leadership of our faith.

There is more to "render unto Caesar what is Ceasar's and unto God what is God's" than just giving money. Matt 22:21

I think you folks still have not figured out that the tithe is the Lords, and he tells you were to take it to. It is not up to you to put it anywhere else. You do not have that option. Offerings YES, Tithe NO.

Originally Posted by stmatthew

I think you folks still have not figured out that the tithe is the Lords, and he tells you were to take it to. It is not up to you to put it anywhere else. You do not have that option. Offerings YES, Tithe NO.

but we aren't actually told where the tithe is suppose to go to...

I have 3 dogs... every 3 years, I will bring a 10th of my extra dogs (a 10th of anything over 3 for the first 3 years, etc.) to the church. I will then expect that portion of dog(s) to be distributed among everyone who works in the ministry in that church.