You Be The Judge: Anderson Vs Burk

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by TK Burk

Bro. Epley,

Enough already.

Over the years I have asked this same question to you time and again. All I ever asked was for you to produce just ONE SCRIPTURE that actually says any of these six main points that you claim to believe. After all these years, you've never given even one.

To help you, here is what I asked you and what I said I would do IF you gave those six passages.....



So, how about it, Bro. Epley? Will you FINALLY answer these with scriptures??





Watch, Bro. Epley never has answered these, and he never will....

These questions or positions do not matter. The question is has Jesus come already and there is NO resurrection of the dead and NO judgment of the wicked. Jesus is coming again that is the event. You invent your own questions to divert attention away from the real questions.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by TJJJ

Jason, do you realize that Jesus did come back already, once! We call it the day of Pentecost!

Even David Bernard, in his book the Oneness of God acknowledges that!

If you don't believe that then you are Trinitarian, as you have to seperate Jesus from the Holy Ghost!

red herring, that isn't even relevant to what we are discussing. I think anyone reading this thread is aware of that.

[TJJJ]

Originally Posted by Jason

red herring, that isn't even relevant to what we are discussing. I think anyone reading this thread is aware of that.

Red Herring, you are the one who just said that if Jesus had come back then people would have noticed! Friend He did come back, first on the day of Pentecost, and people noticed!!!! That was in blessing!

Then he came back to judge the unrighteous city in 70 AD! He gave them a generation to repent and they repented not! Nobody noticed! Friend, everyone noticed!

What part am I missing here friend? I am the one staying with oneness doctrine!

[afp1996]

Originally Posted by Jason

when did On Time Journal become the standard of truth?

When what you pronoun did. He asked a question. We gave an answer. Something you should try for a bit..

[TJJJ]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

If Jesus is not coming again and there is no resurrection of the dead or no future judgment of the wicked then Jesus and the Apostles preached a lie. His return is part of the gospel.

Bro Epley,

I believe that the fullness of our resurrection is yet to come. We gain the ernest of our resurrection when we recieve the Holy Ghost. So therefore, my resurrection is still future.

Is that what you mean?

I realize that Full Preterism, as the Church of Christ preaches it, believes that ALL is in the past. Everything, total, finished. But WE don't teach and believe that, not myself.

The error with Dispensationalism is that they have a Trinitarian God. It has to be in order to split up their diety, ie Father Son and Holy Ghost. That is why you are hedging on saying that Jesus came back on the Day of Pentecost. You still hold to the trinitarian mindset that Jesus and the Holy Ghost are different! If you say that Jesus came back on the Day of Pent, then your dispensational house of cards begins to implode. The dispensational house is easy to dismantle, you just take the walls apart verse by verse! You have already run out of time as each dispensation is reckoned by 1000 years. Then you take into account that Jesus has returned on Pentecost then another wall caves in as Dispensationalism calls for his SECOND coming as still a FUTURE PHYSICAL COMING FOR A COLLECTIVE BODY!

[afp1996]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

Thank you for your reply!

So, do you believe that this current earth will go on and on, and that we all go to judgment immediately when we die? Then straight into heaven or hell, right then?

Yes the current earth will go on.

Yes we all go to judgment immediately when we die.

Then yes, straight to heaven or the lake of fire.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Jason

right, so it okay. Let's quit referring to one another as brother, and call each other liars, decievers, snakes, and scoundrels. (All in the name of Christ, right?)

Well, isn't that what you did by setting up a thread in the Eschatology Forum entitled "Full Preterism: Doctrine of Devils?"

With TRFrance's post you started shouting your hair down with amens. Who arre you kidding here, it's a little tooo late to try and play the pious and humble, when you were damning our souls to a devil's hell in another part of the forum. Frankly, I could care less, because half of these saber rattlers don't even know what they believe, forget trying to refute Fulfilled Eschatology.



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Originally Posted by Jason

Now, asking if Full Preterism, which denies a physical ressurrection is a doctrine of devils-BASED ON A SCRIPTURE that basically states the same thing has to do with the DOCTRINE not the PERSON.

Your too late Brother Jason, I already rode the eight seconds, and heard the bell ring. Brother Jason, if you believe a doctrine of devils you will go to a devil's hell. Simple and no way to Bill Clinton our way around that. If a man believes a devilish doctrine, does it not cause him to be under the influence of a devil? Or if a man believes in a DAMNABLE DOCTRINE, doesn't it dam him? The 100.00 answer is YES.

Do we believe you are lost? The answer is no, because we use to believe what you believe. We were in the same learning curve, and studying to show ourselves approved unto God, being workman not wanting to be ashamed rightly dividing the word of truth. I wasn't saved by any form of eschatology, no one ever preached to me about a rapture prior to me repenting or being baptized in Jesus name. I was told that Jesus was the One True Living God, and shown how Matthew 28:19 was the NAME Jesus.

No flip chart of science fiction and modern army soldiers riding horses into battle armed with swords. Just the Bible chapter and verse, of the Apostolic One God Jesus Name message.

Agian do we believe that you are lost with rockets strapped to your back hurling towards a devil's hell? The answer is no, beacuse we believed as you, and when we did we were as saved as you are now. Hyemaneaus and Philetus were telling the saints that there would be no more resurrection, and that it was completed. Now that caused two problems one those who were alive at that time would of lost hope because they would never go on to be with the Lord, and Jesus didn't tell the truth concerning Matthew 24, Luke 21, and Mark 13. If the resurrection had past then Jesus' words of a consumation would of been false. Paul was dealing with those in that present age and dealinng with false teachers who were busy trrying to Judaize his churches and bring the unknowing Gentiles into Judiac law system that was getting ready to vanish away for ever. If those first century saints would of listened to Hymeanus and Philetus those saints would of lost hope, thinking there was no RESURRECCTION for them. Tthey weren't looking for chariots to become unmaned, or have togas neatlyy folded in heaps around Jerusalem.

They were awaiting a resurrection of all those who took part in the Old Testament age.

Jesus told the Pharisees that they would be accountable for all the blood shed upon the earth, and Jesus then mentions Able (book of Genesis) and Zacharias son of Barachias (2nd Chronicles). Jesus told the religious Jews that they would be accountable for all the blood contained in the Jewish canon of the Bible. Henceforth those who took part in the age of the Old Testament would stand in judgement before Jesus Christ, the one they rejected and the one they murdered. Jesus came to His wife who became a whore, and she killed Him, by using her lovers the iron that she was mingled with to do the deed.

Those who were alive and remained after the destruction of Mystery Babylon, Jerusalem, would be caught up together with those Old Testament saints as they left their mortal bodies to join their spiritual bodies to be with the Lord Jesus for ever.

Originally Posted by Jason

Come on DB, you're smarter than that.

So, are you and that is what makes it grievous to me.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[afp1996]

Originally Posted by Jason

History Lesson part 2-If Jesus came back already (and the rapture happened), somebody would have noticed!

History 103: No Rapture happened in AD 70

[TJJJ]

Originally Posted by Jason

right, so it okay. Let's quit referring to one another as brother, and call each other liars, decievers, snakes, and scoundrels. (All in the name of Christ, right?)

Now, asking if Full Preterism, which denies a physical ressurrection is a doctrine of devils-BASED ON A SCRIPTURE that basically states the same thing has to do with the DOCTRINE not the PERSON.

Come on DB, you're smarter than that.

Doctrine of Devils! Whoa, you sure don't mind adding to the Word do you! Sounds like another Gospel!

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
1Ti 4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

What are the doctrines of devils, Paul names them, not you, not me, but Paul!

1- Speaking lies in Hypscrisy
2- Having their conscience seared with a hot iron!
3- Forbidding to marry.
4- Commanding to abstain from meats!

Where does it say that denying a physical resurrection is a doctrine of devils?

C'mon Bro Jason, stay in the Book! You're smarter than this my Brother!

Sounds like to me you are guilty of this:

Mat 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

[afp1996]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

If Jesus is not coming again and there is no resurrection of the dead or no future judgment of the wicked then Jesus and the Apostles preached a lie. His return is part of the gospel.

Bro. Epley.

Jesus has already returned.

The Resurrection of the Dead is passed.

The wicked are judged at physical death.

Jesus and the Apostles most certainly taught the truth.

Yes his Return is part of his Gospel. Please start teaching it correctly Brother Epley, and Brother Jason.

Oh, and why will Brother Jason not debate DB??????