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07-12-2008, 08:09 PM
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Re: AFF apostolic or not?
Kristin and I enjoyed spending time with chimney sweeps from Ireland and Scotland who would wear traditional kilts to our National Convention and to the festival in Italy.
It never occured to us that they were feminine in any way.
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07-12-2008, 09:03 PM
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Re: AFF apostolic or not?
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So then who do you fellowship. Are you part of the group that started their own Camp Meeting? I am assuming you are from CA, since you seem to have a relationship of some kind with some of the other posters that have indicated that they are.
If so, is your contention that the people in the WDUPC believe and teach that the things above are OK? I am seriously asking you this, and I am not trying to be a smart alec, I honestly am asking you this?
If this is so, I think that someone somewhere has sold you a pack of lies. Do perhaps some people teach it looser than others, sure! But I think some people make judgments on stuff like this because of things they are told by someone else who has an agenda.
I don't fault anyone for following their convictions or even forming their own fellowship. But I do have a problem with those people thinking they have right to proclaim everyone else who doesn't do it the way that they do it are "going to hell".
As to your question, no I don't think that everyone that calls them self Apostolic is going to heaven, just like I don't think that everyone that is UPC, AMF, WWPF, AA, or any other acronyms you want to throw together is going to heaven. I don't think everybody in my church is going to heaven, but I also don't think that is my job to start picking out the ones from any of these groups that I think are the ones who aren't going to make it. Why on earth would I want that responsibility, and what kind of witness of the love of Christ would I be showing if I started doing that?
The bottom line is, no matter what side of the fence that you fall down on, I DO believe that the ones that make it to heaven will be the ones who have had Christian charity and love for their fellow man, along with whatever standards and requirements that they have or have not followed.
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No. That is not my contention at all. There are still some good men in the WDUPC that are holding on to truth.
As to your other comment: Don't you believe that people who do not Repent of their sins, Receive the Holy Ghost or are baptized in Jesus name, are going to hell? I don't believe they will be saved. I also read scripture that says ...without holiness, not man shall see the lord... Where are those that do no practice holiness headed? There is no purgatory.
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07-12-2008, 09:21 PM
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Re: AFF apostolic or not?
I would wear a kilt if I knew how to play the bagpipes....(i've NEVER seen a feminine piper!!!).
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07-12-2008, 09:24 PM
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Re: AFF apostolic or not?
Ok. So nobody wants to give up their shorts so I will ask you when it becomes sin. You don't seem to like lines so I would like your response prax. If a man wears his shorts 6" above his ankles is that wrong? 12" is that wrong? 6" above his knee, is that wrong? Where do you draw the line? I am sure you have a line somewhere there prax. You don't think that a man or woman can walk around in their undergarments do you? So where is your line prax. Tell us what you think is sin? I believe a mans pants should be long. Where do you stand prax.? Don't try to go around the question either. Tell us where a man can wear his garment and it be a sin in your eyes. Don't be afraid to tell us where you stand.
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07-12-2008, 09:27 PM
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Re: AFF apostolic or not?
I think its a sin when you wear over the calf dark socks and white athletic shoes with shorts.....unless your a tourist in an Hawaiian shirt in Canada and still use a 35mm camera ya have hung around your neck!
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07-12-2008, 09:31 PM
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Re: AFF apostolic or not?
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And many were sans the sissy-fied shaved look like Tim has...Oops!
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Prax! Very rude.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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07-12-2008, 09:36 PM
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Re: AFF apostolic or not?
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Originally Posted by dizzyde
So then who do you fellowship. Are you part of the group that started their own Camp Meeting? I am assuming you are from CA, since you seem to have a relationship of some kind with some of the other posters that have indicated that they are.
If so, is your contention that the people in the WDUPC believe and teach that the things above are OK? I am seriously asking you this, and I am not trying to be a smart alec, I honestly am asking you this?
If this is so, I think that someone somewhere has sold you a pack of lies. Do perhaps some people teach it looser than others, sure! But I think some people make judgments on stuff like this because of things they are told by someone else who has an agenda.
I don't fault anyone for following their convictions or even forming their own fellowship. But I do have a problem with those people thinking they have right to proclaim everyone else who doesn't do it the way that they do it are "going to hell".
As to your question, no I don't think that everyone that calls them self Apostolic is going to heaven, just like I don't think that everyone that is UPC, AMF, WWPF, AA, or any other acronyms you want to throw together is going to heaven. I don't think everybody in my church is going to heaven, but I also don't think that is my job to start picking out the ones from any of these groups that I think are the ones who aren't going to make it. Why on earth would I want that responsibility, and what kind of witness of the love of Christ would I be showing if I started doing that?
The bottom line is, no matter what side of the fence that you fall down on, I DO believe that the ones that make it to heaven will be the ones who have had Christian charity and love for their fellow man, along with whatever standards and requirements that they have or have not followed.
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Is there something wrong with starting a camp meeting? Just checking.
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07-12-2008, 09:58 PM
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Re: AFF apostolic or not?
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Grandma got ran over by a reindeer.
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Did not, it was a moose...........I crack me up............
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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07-12-2008, 10:03 PM
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Re: AFF apostolic or not?
I read this whole thread. Am I crazy or what? No wait, don't answer that.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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07-12-2008, 10:08 PM
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First Lady
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Re: AFF apostolic or not?
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I read this whole thread. Am I crazy or what? No wait, don't answer that. 
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I did the same thing, then got involved and decided to jerk a few chains.
I KNOW I'm nuts. To "get into" with Prax and Pel, I have to be out of my mind. These guys are way out of my league.!!!
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