The Eulogy Begins

[Ron]

Originally Posted by tv1a

Your arguments are inconsistent and lack consistent application of principles.

I would counter that there has been nothing said here to promote TV as a good medium, nor a wholesome thing to have-not one.

Yet the argument has been about internet (I still don't know if all the UC'S or conservatives have internet even) or any such thing.

Don't you think that if TV was such a good thing it could stand on it's own merit?

Name 1, just 1 succesful TV evangelist that preaches truth, doesn't look like an accident with Mary Kay, and doesn't squander money on themselves?

[tv1a]

The lies in the second paragraph have been successfully debunked but here it goes again. For Ron's sake.

No one is sacrificing a prayer and fasting for tv advertising.

First you say television won't work than you credit television for mega churches. Rod Parsley & TD Jakes had a mega church well before they began a national television program.

I know people who go to Rod Parsley's church who are on the outreach team. They hit the streats, knock on more doors in one month than upci churches in that area combined.

They growing souls.

It's nice to see your spiritual radar is so tuned to God you can make irrational judgements about mega churches and mega tithes.

Originally Posted by Ron

The point is this is TV good or bad.

You have shown nothing to prove that TV is good for you or that it is a good medium to use to spread the gospel.

Methinks some are wanting a short cut to revival and all those big mega churches with the mega tithe & prestige that goes with it.

Nobody wants to go the old path which is denying onesself, crucifying the flesh,
and hard work.

Sad really.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Ron

So we should throw out the manual & rules with it?
Hey I know, lets let everyone do as they please-yeah that would be neat!

That way we don't have to be called legalists!

I would be happy just sticking to what the Bible says. I know that is radical.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Ron

Well, your first line sums up this whole debate.

I don't find groupos to say that Prax, but I have found God prompting me to do just that.

The only reason I am even on this much now is the fact that I am stuck at home recovering.

Yet, in all this argument you haven't proven to me scientificaly or otherwise that TV is good for oneself or is a proper medium to propagate the gospel in.

but what if I can find some group, any group...it really does not matter since in your example it was a non religious group that you are some how using as proof for your argument....and that group says "get off the internet" would you? You might not be getting my point, but the point is, your point does not hold water :-)

I have yet to see scientific proof or otherwise that TV is bad for oneself....TV is like the Internet...I know you don't want to hear it, but it's the truth. They are not science projects. They are mediums and you have the power to use it as you would in your own better or worse judgement to the detriment of yourself or the betterment of yourself or to just waste time....no excuses...read the bible. Pray. Play solitaire :-).

And actually "proper" is a subjective term...not scientific. There isn't a scrap of proof I could muster...that would stretch around the planet a dozen times that will convince you what is proper or not when you have made up your mind. All your arguments here were subjective and infact lacking facts or evidence. They were just assertions and the assertions were made to look inconsistent and silly by the comparisons to the Internet and other mediums.

BTW how would you scientifically prove tracts are "good" before every using them? How could you "scientifically" prove something is "proper"?

The comparisons to other mediums is a powerful argument. They are all used to advertise...and advertisements are POWERFUL ways of communicating to people and convince them they NEED something. We do it individually one on one. We do it via Websites. We do it with tracts. We do it with radio spots. We do it with newspapers....why not do it with TV? Did anyone do a scientific study first to prove Internet good/TV bad? Or radio? Or magazines?

Sorry bro but I just don't see much substance or consistent reasoning coming from the "TV bad/Internet good" crowd

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by crakjak

Evang. Ben,

I see the old Ben is back, the current news has created a field day for your old man, wouldn't you agree?

I know you are capable of better. Blessings, Bro.
Crakjak

I will always call them like I see them, and thank you for the blessing.

The Lord bless you and your family my friend.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by CC1

I would be happy just sticking to what the Bible says. I know that is radical.

Wow...you are a visionary. Who would have thunk eh? and let the churches be autonomous too? and not contend for our differences to the disunity of the body? :gclock

[tv1a]

Keep twisiting the argument. It's not an arguement if it works or not. If television advertising didn't work, it wouldn't be a billion dollar industry. It is a great medium to let people know Jesus loves them.

One of our posters mentioned her husband had a television ministry for a number of years. She said her husband didn't have to wear makeup. He preaches Acts 2:38. Try accusing them of squandering money on themselves.

Your reality is wrapped up in a dilusion which facts do not support.

Originally Posted by Ron

I would counter that there has been nothing said here to promote TV as a good medium, nor a wholesome thing to have-not one.

Yet the argument has been about internet (I still don't know if all the UC'S or conservatives have internet even) or any such thing.

Don't you think that if TV was such a good thing it could stand on it's own merit?

Name 1, just 1 succesful TV evangelist that preaches truth, doesn't look like an accident with Mary Kay, and doesn't squander money on themselves?

[Ron]

Originally Posted by tv1a

The lies in the second paragraph have been successfully debunked but here it goes again. For Ron's sake.

No one is sacrificing a prayer and fasting for tv advertising.

First you say television won't work than you credit television for mega churches. Rod Parsley & TD Jakes had a mega church well before they began a national television program.

I know people who go to Rod Parsley's church who are on the outreach team. They hit the streats, knock on more doors in one month than upci churches in that area combined.

They growing souls.

It's nice to see your spiritual radar is so tuned to God you can make irrational judgements about mega churches and mega tithes.

Thank you for the second time around for my sake!
Mega Churches? Are they preaching truth?
Are they any different than the world?
Hey even Catholics go around doing everything that they like because-well
they go to confession & voila they are clean again-but is there any change?

I kinda feel like Br Phil when he said he is all for Progressive means of evangelism-but not at the expense of basic doctrines.

Doctrine---oh yeah that is a legalist term. We don't like that because we may have to change.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Ron

The point is this is TV good or bad.

Neither. It's just a box of electronic gizmos like the soul stealing picture gizmo :-)

It's neutral...guns don't kill people, people kill people. There is good and bad content available ON TV just as there is down the street....on the Net....on Radio....at the work force (unless you are working with all saints (I mean real saints). Second of all that is not a point. That is a question and no evidence has been provided to show a television is bad anymore than a defense of the Internet can be made to being good and not bad by you all. It's neutral.

You have shown nothing to prove that TV is good for you or that it is a good medium to use to spread the gospel.

What is your value of "good"? In fact the argument was already made several times at how valuable the TV is in communicating things you want others to know or believe. Advertisements are POWERFUL ways to communicate.

Methinks some are wanting a short cut to revival and all those big mega churches with the mega tithe & prestige that goes with it.

That's a subjective opinion. Me thinks UCs just like to control people....well most of them. Seriously. what value is there in just stating such opinions of one another. That proves nothing. That's NOT a point or an argument. That's your biased personal feelings. (BTW I think there are UCs that want to control people but I don't think that is true for all of them nor their intentional motivation. Im making a point I hope you understood by way of Hyperbole)

Nobody wants to go the old path which is denying onesself, crucifying the flesh,
and hard work.

Sad really.

Wow..no that argument is really sad....Same can be said for advertising on the NET or radio...tell me...why do we do it? Why is it OK to advertise to MORE people via Radio and the Internet? Does it mean we are just too lazy now? Or does it mean we want to reach MORE people faster?

This is just another in a series of sound bite arguments that are based in emotion, bias and unfounded accusations.

Is it possible some might want to be on TV for their own personal gain? Sure...it might be possible some might to have larger churches for the income....does that mean we should win less souls? Is it possible Some post their messages on the net just because they like to be heard and don't really care about souls? Lots of things are possible, but harping on the worse possible scenerios does NOT make something wrong. In all these arguments I have pointed to OTHER examples in comparison to prove that point. You said "TV is a time waster"....I pointed out ANYTHING can be a time waster...thus your extreme example, if true, should mean get off the net because you are wasting your time... Come on..think about it...TV is not a time waster. TV CAN BE a time waster, just as anything else can. That does not prove it's wrong to advertise ON TV. Internet is a time waster, that does not prove it's wrong to advertise on the Net.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Ron

Thank you for the second time around for my sake!
Mega Churches? Are they preaching truth?
Are they any different than the world?
Hey even Catholics go around doing everything that they like because-well
they go to confession & voila they are clean again-but is there any change?

I kinda feel like Br Phil when he said he is all for Progressive means of evangelism-but not at the expense of basic doctrines.

Doctrine---oh yeah that is a legalist term. We don't like that because we may have to change.

See that is a classic red herring. You prove his point that TV can be a POWERFUL medium to communicate what you want others to know and bring them to your church....it matters NOT that those churches don't have the truth. That does not make the method wrong....they also use internet and radio and other mediums we use....if it's wrong just because they use it then be consistent and say they are ALL wrong

See the point is I don't think you really believe your own arguments, because they would mean all those other mediums are bad and should be avoided OR you have not really thought this through objectively