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Re: You Be The Judge: Anderson Vs Burk
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Originally Posted by TJJJ
That is why we are against dispensationalism!!!
It stems from Schofield and those of that era, around the 1920's. The Mormons are semi quasi dispensationalists. Their teachings of the Rapture, the coming of the Lord being physical, dispensations and etc are identical to the Oneness dispensationalists!
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My comments about mormons was the theory on two brides-polygamy.
as for the portion in large bold letter, I have all but begged EB to debate the topic, he obviously has no interest in seeing his doctrine torn to shreds.
i thought you believed in a future second coming, TJJJ, am I mistaken?
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Re: You Be The Judge: Anderson Vs Burk
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Yes. John 14 is speaking of sonship NOT Heaven.
No Acts 1 defines how He left and how he will come.
He left in a resurrected literal corporal body in the clouds and will return in the SAME MANNER. |
Brother, Acts 1 wasn't fulfilled in Acts 2?
Let's look at it?
Act 1:10 And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
Act 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
He went up into heaven!
Act 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
Act 2:2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
Act 2:3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
Act 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
He comes down from Heaven!
Simple, what am I missing here?
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03-28-2009, 10:27 PM
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Re: You Be The Judge: Anderson Vs Burk
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I never heard the 1000 year dispensational teaching you are taling about?
I do NOT believe anyone can be saved by animal sacrifices NO. His sacrifice was ONCE for all. I do not believe there are two Brides and since Jesus is the Father that would be absurd.
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I think we all agree with the above, but dispensationalists teach that God would regather the children of Israel from out of the diaspora, and bring them back into their own land. With that they would rebuild their temple, and reinstate animal sacrifice, with a reformed Levitical priesthood, and a reinstated high priest. All dispensataionlists believe that this must happen in order to usher in Messiah.
Do you agree?
Thank you Elder Epley you are appreciated.
In Jesus name
Brother Benincasa
www.OnTimeJournal.com
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Re: You Be The Judge: Anderson Vs Burk
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What discussion are we having? I hardly consider what you all are doing here any form of discussion, it’s more like questions and answers, with the Fulfilled boys doing the answering, and the futurist boys doing the complaining. I just asked you a question if you were Pre Trib Dispensational. Because I had my doubts due to the reason I once read where you had posted that you didn't believe in a rebuilt Jewish temple. So, if that is the case my questioning of your belief is relevant. Elder Epley do you believe in a future rebuilt temple?
With respect.
In JESUS NAME
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I figure the temple will probably be rebuilt(not certain) however God is NOT going to accept it he already has a Temple it is the Body that sits on the throne and His mysterical body in the earth of which He is the head. 
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Re: You Be The Judge: Anderson Vs Burk
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My comments about mormons was the theory on two brides-polygamy.
as for the portion in large bold letter, I have all but begged EB to debate the topic, he obviously has no interest in seeing his doctrine torn to shreds.
i thought you believed in a future second coming, TJJJ, am I mistaken?
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I adhere to and teach a future coming of the Lord, and a future resurrection.
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03-28-2009, 10:30 PM
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Re: You Be The Judge: Anderson Vs Burk
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as for the portion in large bold letter, I have all but begged EB to debate the topic, he obviously has no interest in seeing his doctrine torn to shreds.
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Brother Jason, who asked you to explain Matthew 24, Luke 21, and Mark 13 first?
Be honest.
In JESUS NAME
Brother Benincasa
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03-28-2009, 10:30 PM
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Re: You Be The Judge: Anderson Vs Burk
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Brother, Acts 1 wasn't fulfilled in Acts 2?
Let's look at it?
Act 1:10 And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
Act 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
He went up into heaven!
Act 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
Act 2:2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
Act 2:3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
Act 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
He comes down from Heaven!
Simple, what am I missing here? |
They SAW Him ascend INTO Heaven with a LITERAL resurrected body they said he would return in the SAME MANNER. That is NOT what happened at Pentecost.
You are missing the resurrected LITERAL body that went into Heaven. 
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03-28-2009, 10:33 PM
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Re: You Be The Judge: Anderson Vs Burk
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I think we all agree with the above, but dispensationalists teach that God would regather the children of Israel from out of the diaspora, and bring them back into their own land. With that they would rebuild their temple, and reinstate animal sacrifice, with a reformed Levitical priesthood, and a reinstated high priest. All dispensataionlists believe that this must happen in order to usher in Messiah.
Do you agree?
Thank you Elder Epley you are appreciated.
In Jesus name
Brother Benincasa
www.OnTimeJournal.com |
NO I do NOT agree. Yes I believe in the restoration of the nation of Isreal into the favor of God. The nation MIGHT rebuild the temple-offer animal sacrifices-reinstitute the priesthood BUT God will NOT accept this. I am a dispensationalist and I do NOT believe this.
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03-28-2009, 10:35 PM
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Re: You Be The Judge: Anderson Vs Burk
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I figure the temple will probably be rebuilt(not certain) however God is NOT going to accept it he already has a Temple it is the Body that sits on the throne and His mysterical body in the earth of which He is the head. |
Maybe I am wrong Bro Epley, please forgive my UPC upbringing!
That is what the UPC has taught for a long time as dispensationalism.
7 dispensations with the 7th thousand year being the millenium, the 1000 year reign, the time of perfection!
Jesus would come back physically, snatch His Bride away, in a physical rapture to consumate the wedding, then Armageddon after which the devil would be bound for the 1000 years of peace, then somewhere in there the temple is rebuilt by the Jews and they have another salvation, either through animal sacrifices or just believing, also somewhere in there the physical heavens and earth is destroyed with new ones being rebuilt for us to dwell on as kings and priests!
Is that what you believe?
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03-28-2009, 10:38 PM
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Re: You Be The Judge: Anderson Vs Burk
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They SAW Him ascend INTO Heaven with a LITERAL resurrected body they said he would return in the SAME MANNER. That is NOT what happened at Pentecost.
You are missing the resurrected LITERAL body that went into Heaven. |
They saw Him taken into a cloud Elder Epley, you are missing the part where He was taken into the cloud. The cloud is emphasized, because all of the scriptures dealing with cloud and presence of God. In Isaiah 19:1 God is on a swift cloud, do you want us to believe that GOD was actually physically riding on a physical cloud?
No doubt a LITERAL resurrected human body of Jesus Christ was taken up, but the main focus is that the like manner means the mode of how He is returning and that was the cloud.
Throughout the Old Testament God's presence is denoted by a cloud, and the high priest rent his clothes when he heard Jesus speak of returning on that cloud in vengeance, the only one capable of doing that was God.
Thank you Elder Epley for this discussion
In Jesus name
Brother Benincasa
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