The Eulogy Begins

[BobDylan]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

In other words....we don't need to make an argument when he just did it for us?

Exactly...

[James Griffin]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

No they didn't. Fred Flintstone Holy Ghost? Yeah right, talk about Mensa, Price has more sense than that.



And this is coming from a man who believes cartoons helps kids get the Holy Ghost. Good grief.

EB I understand that you are in mourning, your posts have became markedly more defensive. As to this post do you really doubt God? That if He could use a donkey to speak to a prophet and save him life, that God is so limited that He could not use a cartoon as a vehicle to help save a child?

[James Griffin]

Originally Posted by Ron

Well, your first line sums up this whole debate.

I don't find groupos to say that Prax, but I have found God prompting me to do just that.

The only reason I am even on this much now is the fact that I am stuck at home recovering.

Yet, in all this argument you haven't proven to me scientifically or otherwise that TV is good for oneself or is a proper medium to propagate the gospel in.

TV as a whole is evil, yes the television is a neutral medium, but the over all application is what should define. A hand gun is a neutral object but its function is not to hunt deer it is to kill humans at close range. Similarly as a whole TV, promotes immortality, destabilizes the family unit, and has been linked to increased violence, ADD, and obesity. On the other hand, there is a chance that a few individuals might be reached and ultimately saved by its use. How much are those souls worth?

The bigger issue. The spiritual maturity of disfellowshipping with like minded ONE God, Apostolic, Jesus Baptized believers over personal conviction.

[BobDylan]

Originally Posted by pelathais

That's an admirably balanced approach to a complex issue, Ron. But in the context of the Apostolic movement where is the "control" most problematic?

In the Apostolic movement those who seek to "control" also describe themselves as "consrvatives." Personally, to me that's an oxymoron (a "controling" conservative) but that's the way in which the debate has been framed.

I think "conservative" and "control" are nearly synonomous in that to conserve means to keep in control the amount of change that is experienced by a population (that's my TIC definition). The problem is that this "change" that conservatives try to keep under "control" may be bad chabge, or it may be good change... but either way they are opposed to change, in methods, in paradigm, etc.... even the "good" change.

What if we threw out the last 100 years history of the apostolic movement in America, and all of a sudden, someone in the middle of Chicago began to receive revelation about oneness, Jesus Name Baptism, and Holy Ghost and tongues... and in a similar manner to Parham, he prayed and received the Holy Ghost on Jan 1, 2001.... in his searching for further leading of the Spirit, would the Spirit reject the use of television as a means to advertise this truth? My point is that this whole argument against the use of television is based on a paradigm of apostolic pentecost that is based in a 1950's mentality. I do believe the Chicago pastor would conclude that it is best not to make TV a primary means of entertainment, and may even encourage people to not have it in their homes, but this position may not preclude harnassing it's real effectiveness in advertising his meeting times, and influencing interest in his community about what is going on in the church he has established.

[James Griffin]

Originally Posted by BobDylan

I think "conservative" and "control" are nearly synonomous in that to conserve means to keep in control the amount of change that is experienced by a population (that's my TIC definition). The problem is that this "change" that conservatives try to keep under "control" may be bad chabge, or it may be good change... but either way they are opposed to change, in methods, in paradigm, etc.... even the "good" change.

What if we threw out the last 100 years history of the apostolic movement in America, and all of a sudden, someone in the middle of Chicago began to receive revelation about oneness, Jesus Name Baptism, and Holy Ghost and tongues... and in a similar manner to Parham, he prayed and received the Holy Ghost on Jan 1, 2001.... in his searching for further leading of the Spirit, would the Spirit reject the use of television as a means to advertise this truth? My point is that this whole argument against the use of television is based on a paradigm of apostolic pentecost that is based in a 1950's mentality. I do believe the Chicago pastor would conclude that it is best not to make TV a primary means of entertainment, and may even encourage people to not have it in their homes, but this position may not preclude harnassing it's real effectiveness in advertising his meeting times, and influencing interest in his community about what is going on in the church he has established.

You really need to change your avatar, You are far too articulate for Dylan

[BobDylan]

Originally Posted by James Griffin

You really need to change your avatar, You are far too articulate for Dylan

Should I take that as a compliment?

[James Griffin]

Originally Posted by BobDylan

Should I take that as a compliment?

I would certainly hope so!!!!

As a member of the Dylan generation I found it quite hard to understand anything he mumbl.... er sang.

[BobDylan]

Originally Posted by James Griffin

I would certainly hope so!!!!

As a member of the Dylan generation I found it quite hard to understand anything he mumbl.... er sang.

Yet his music was quite "poetic"...

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Do I need an interpreter? Were you typing in tongues?

I am a Oneness Pentecostal...

Of course you are.

No, I'm really not... If I were looking for an argument to win, I would be trying harder and pick something a little less absurd than pointing out that Veggietales are not evil...

No, I'm just answering what you said about this one particular cartoon.

I still have never received an answer to my question; does Veggie Tales ever say the NAME of JESUS CHRIST?

Yes, they do...

Do they get into deep theological essays? No. Do they get beyond the surface of anything? Not really...

But have they said "Jesus" in a broadcast? Yes...

its a silly kid's cartoon with Chrisitan themes and Bible stories starring TALKING VEGETABLES!! Stop taking it so seriously...

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

No they didn't. Fred Flintstone Holy Ghost? Yeah right, talk about Mensa, Price has more sense than that.



And this is coming from a man who believes cartoons helps kids get the Holy Ghost. Good grief.

Fred Flintstone isn't a vegetable, he's a caveman... thus he isn't in Veggietales... you have to be a vegetable (or, occassionally, a fruit) to be on Veggietales...

just figured I'd point that out... The rest of your post (as is usual with your posts) is completely worthless and simply goes to show your complete disconnect from reality, so I'll pretend its not there...