A Wrecked Church!

[StillStanding]

Originally Posted by Rapture 1

It's hard to go into everything about this without hurting some feelings, but if you set down with the majority of the people at Grey Rd, they would tell you a different story about going to the "son's church". Most of them feel that he could have prevented this instead of encouraging D**** and K****, his sister. It is an ugly situation, that if everyone knew all about it, just wouldn't believe it. I and others believe the situation is
not hopeless, tho, and they will get their church back, but in the meantime, I am amazed at how strong and full of faith and courgage these people are. They are absolutely amazing. You can't help but love them!!!

I have to break my vow of silence to address this! (CC1 will be thrilled! )

I know for a fact that sons were calling and encouraging the disenfranchised saints of that church. They were powerless, and were hoping that a tentative preacher friend would come to head the transition to a new pastor. When that didn't happen, they were out of trump cards. Its as simple as that!

Place blame only on those who deserve blame!

Ok, I'm out!

[Rapture 1]

The "son" was referring to "your pastor, Bro ***** "from the pulpit. He preached one night before the vote and was not encouraging. He is a great man, and I don't mean any disrespect, to him. But the people feel that he is more for his sister.

[StillStanding]

Originally Posted by Rapture 1

The "son" was referring to "your pastor, Bro ***** "from the pulpit. He preached one night before the vote and was not encouraging. He is a great man, and I don't mean any disrespect, to him. But the people feel that he is more for his sister.

The son never preached at GR church during this ordeal. You are correct that a visiting preacher did preach and say some things like you mentioned, but it wasn't the son.

[HeavenBound]

Originally Posted by StillStanding

The son never preached at GR church during this ordeal. You are correct that a visiting preacher did preach and say some things like you mentioned, but it wasn't the son.

Bro.D did preach at our Church during this ordeal. I don't know where you get your info but it's obvious you do not attend G.Rd. Church.

[HeavenBound]

Originally Posted by OHappyDay

22.) My heart goes out to the saints of G.R. church. Its not enough that they were fighting the secretary and the boyfriend but also the church board turned on the very saints that were supposed to be representing. As previously stated, most of the men on the church board have been replaced by the secretary and the boyfriend. They were chosen because they would support the secretary and the boyfriend.
23.) At least one of these men, possibly two, do not even have the Holy Ghost.
24.) Two of the three men that were supposedly "helping" the church members and leading the opposition against the secretary and the boyfriend had ulterior motives at heart. Both of these men want to pastor desperately but are not capable.
25.) One of the men stated previously in 24 is trying to build his own church. This would be a terrible idea for these elderly saints that have been through so much.
26.) The eldest son of the Bishop, who pastors in the suburbs, is a great man. The secretary (his sister) has done her best to blackball him. She has openly talked about him and has tried to run him down.
27.) The church in the suburbs, pastored by the son, is the closest Apostolic church and is located just a few minutes away from the "wrecked church".
28.) The son has graciously welcomed the former saints of G.R. to the church. He is probably the most qualified person to lead them as he is familiar with them both personally and knows the entire situation. He pastors a great church that is in revival. He is a true man of God with a "pastor's heart".

It would be nice if people who have not attended GR Church in umpteen years would not write gossip that they do not personally know anything about. People like myself who is having to live with and through this would appreciate if you would just pray for the situation and not tick off (1) thru (28) points and getting 90% of them wrong. TY Also, in regards to #24 who are you to judge whether someone is qualified or not ? God doesn't always call the qualified, he qualifies the called. Judge not and you shall not be judged, plus personally I think you are wrong.

[HeavenBound]

Originally Posted by StillStanding

I have to break my vow of silence to address this! (CC1 will be thrilled! )

I know for a fact that sons were calling and encouraging the disenfranchised saints of that church. They were powerless, and were hoping that a tentative preacher friend would come to head the transition to a new pastor. When that didn't happen, they were out of trump cards. Its as simple as that!

Place blame only on those who deserve blame!

Ok, I'm out!

All I can say is that yes, Bro. D and Bro. C have been very compassionate. We are not giving up, just please pray about our situation and pray for all of us. I for one do not think God has forsaken us.

[StillStanding]

Originally Posted by HeavenBound

Bro.D did preach at our Church during this ordeal. I don't know where you get your info but it's obvious you do not attend G.Rd. Church.

I was not aware of this. If this is true, I stand corrected!

[HeavenBound]

Originally Posted by HeavenBound

It would be nice if people who have not attended GR Church in umpteen years would not write gossip that they do not personally know anything about. People like myself who is having to live with and through this would appreciate if you would just pray for the situation and not tick off (1) thru (28) points and getting 90% of them wrong. TY Also, in regards to #24 who are you to judge whether someone is qualified or not ? God doesn't always call the qualified, he qualifies the called. Judge not and you shall not be judged, plus personally I think you are wrong.

Also, let me correct you on one other fact the board that is in place at this very moment is the same one that was in place before Bishop D.J. went home to his reward.

[Sister Alvear]

praying for GR Church...

[OHappyDay]

It has been said that my post #1-28 is "90% wrong", that is simply not so. Everything that I have posted is backed up by fact and can be confirmed by way of the Bishop in MI, the son in CO, the son in the suburbs. If you dont care to confirm this maybe you don't want to know the truth. I would like to add, however, that we are on the same side. It is not us that should be fighting; we are fighting them (the daughter and the boyfriend). I have not done you wrong, they have done you wrong.
29) Just because you know what took place in the meetings at the church does not mean that you know what happened behind the scenes.
30) The previous point I made in #24 has been called into question. So let me offer a little proof. If you had been at GR longer than 20 years you would know the circumstances in this fellow leaving the church the first time. This fellow has attended the church previously but left under very, very bad circumstances. He wants to pastor so bad that he cant hardly stand it. But just because he "wants to " doesnt mean he "should". If you dont believe this you can call his former pastor in Rosemark. People may not like this point but the truth is the truth.
31.) As to the son in the suburbs, he took a most public stance when he was behind the churches pulpit at the Bishop's funeral. He prayed and I quote that the church and church family would be protected from the "ravenous wolves that would come against them". This was said for all to hear. The leaders of the ALJC and the UPC were on the platform and over 700 other people were present to witness this point.


I would like to thank the creator of this thread and the different church people that have contributed to this thread. The light must shine so darkness cannot exist.