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10-27-2015, 03:54 PM
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Loren Adkins
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Re: Some standing here
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Originally Posted by Sean
That is merely your opinion, along with a number of other ancient heretics, Loren......
Preterism became prominent thanks to a Jesuit priest, Luis de Alcazar, who sought to defend the Catholic Church against attacks of the Reformers. He sought to defend the Roman Church from claims about Catholic apostasy. The Preterism taught today, however, only became popular in the late 20th Century...... http://www.therefinersfire.org/preterism.htm
The ideas of preterism were only swirling around, because Israel was ceased as a nation, then it gained momentum with Alcazar, upon the writing of his beliefs.
Preterism is stopped in its tracks and has zero credibility now, with the rebirth of the nation of Israel.
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Challenging Preterism
"Preterists" believe that all Bible prophecy is history; that most of it took place in 70 AD with the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans. They suggest the Tribulation was the persecution of the saints and Nero was the antichrist.
At the heart of the doctrine is that prophecy was declared and destined to be fulfilled within the generation of Messiah Yeshua's earthly ministry. All references in the Bible to the "last days" refer to the "last days" of Israel, which means that today Israel supposedly has no more relevance than the lost continent of Atlantis. The "New Jerusalem" is the Church now and forever, according to Preterists.
Why is the above so hard to believe by futurist?
Just a couple side points, scripture does not teach a anti-Christ. This is derived by taking a few passages that are unrelated and twisting them together to come up with this teaching. But of course Sean believes everything he reads contrary to fulfilled eschatology, without actually giving fulfilled eschatology a chance simply on the basis that it does not fit what he has been taught.
I ask you what does the rebirth of the nation of Israel have to do with prophecy? Not one thing, as has been pointed out, God cannot be behind the nation for the simple reason that they have not turned to God. Two, just because a group of people of a certain nationality formed a nation does not make them any different from any other nation of people in the eyes of God.
I don't know how many times we have to quote scripture to futurist, that say the children of Abraham are no longer those of natural seed, but those of faith in Christ only. Even Jesus spoke those same words to the people of Israel during his teaching ministry.
But I think the most telling thing Sean has said, is "that is only your opinion, along with a number of preterist heretics". One last thing is when push comes to shove, religious teachers throw out the heretic word to anyone that sees things from a different perspective. I myself have become wary of anyone that accuses others of heresy just on the basis that they believe different from them.
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10-27-2015, 04:03 PM
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Re: Some standing here
Yup--"heretic" is a telling rebuttal. One would think that comparing the current country of Ashkenazi's with the former nation of Sephardic-only Jews would be enough though.
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10-27-2015, 06:40 PM
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Re: Some standing here
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
Sean, Brother Blume isn't indignant because you have proven anything, he may be shocked that you are such a rodent. But in all seriousness, you believe that people will need healing with these leaves in heaven? That is what the original discussion was about, and you kept whining, and Brother Blume kept trying to point some logic out to you. But since you are a total religious lepor you refused to have an intelligent conversation but continue in your horrific meltdown episodes. We don't mock the Bible, we mock you, because you are mockable. You really can't fault us for that because you are an absolute hysterical religious sideshow all by yourself. So, please carry on, you are doing more for Preterism that you can even fathom.  |
Mike, control your dog  he is infesting the forum with fleas.
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10-27-2015, 06:56 PM
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Re: Some standing here
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Originally Posted by Sean
That is merely your opinion, along with a number of other ancient heretics, Loren......
Preterism became prominent thanks to a Jesuit priest, Luis de Alcazar, who sought to defend the Catholic Church against attacks of the Reformers. He sought to defend the Roman Church from claims about Catholic apostasy. The Preterism taught today, however, only became popular in the late 20th Century...... http://www.therefinersfire.org/preterism.htm
The ideas of preterism were only swirling around, because Israel was ceased as a nation, then it gained momentum with Alcazar, upon the writing of his beliefs.
Preterism is stopped in its tracks and has zero credibility now, with the rebirth of the nation of Israel.
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The fact is, the nation of Israel is the thorn in the side of preterism, and the Lord wants everyone to notice it.
Israel is a nuclear power and a daily topic in world politics.
It is an ENSIGN to the nations.....
... Isaiah 11:12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.
It is an act of Almighty God and a huge blow to all preterists and their commentators over recent centuries, that turned to REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY as a means of vindicating the Bible, because of a non-existent nation of Israel, heavily written about in future prophecy.
If Israel would have reformed in the first 1000 years, preterism would be non-existent today.
Preterists can laugh at this verse all they want, and even think it is speaking about the church, rather than Israel(Replacement Theology).
The truth is, they have no other answer to this verse, except there will be, and is now, a regathering of this nation as the fulfillment of prophecy.
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10-27-2015, 07:01 PM
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Re: Some standing here
Has anyone noticed the ruthless attack by preterists, expecting a perfect Jewish bloodline, even after God said this?....
And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.
The preterist is challenging God to produce a pure race of Jews, or they dutifully disagree with this verse!
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10-27-2015, 08:06 PM
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Re: Some standing here
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Originally Posted by Sean
Has anyone noticed the ruthless attack by preterists, expecting a perfect Jewish bloodline, even after God said this?....
And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.
The preterist is challenging God to produce a pure race of Jews, or they dutifully disagree with this verse!
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How is Isaiah 11:12 speaking about Gentile converts to Rabbinical Judaism?
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10-27-2015, 08:32 PM
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Re: Some standing here
Very well!
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10-27-2015, 08:53 PM
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Re: Some standing here
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Originally Posted by Sean
Very well!
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What an answer!
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"all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
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10-27-2015, 08:55 PM
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Re: Some standing here
So, is Sean is right now blowtorching the Google Search engine trying to answer my question?
Sean armed with Google taking on the opposition.
Too funny.
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"all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
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10-27-2015, 08:58 PM
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Re: Some standing here
LOL
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