Pre trib rapture teaching is heresy

[Sean]

But the Lord returns in Chapter 19, so you need to remove and stuff the Chapter in between 4 and 5......LOL

[Sean]

You will never figure out Rev. unless you read it in chronological order.

Never.

[Sean]

The pre-tribber....


Revelation 4King James Version (KJV)

4 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter





Post tribber...


After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be WHENEVER

[Amanah]

for the sake of study

“The Rapture,” A Bad Term?
It may come a surprise to some that the word “rapture” is not in the Bible.2 When we realize that Scripture does not speak of the rapture but rather says that at the coming of the Lord we will be raptured (caught up), it sheds new light on the discussion. It is misleading to speak of the rapture and then to ask when the rapture will take place. The Bible only mentions the coming of the Lord and says that when he comes we will be caught up together to meet him. But pre-tribulationists start by talking about the rapture and the second coming as if they were two separate events and then claim that post-tribulationists confuse the two. The fact is, however, that the Bible does not make this distinction. Instead, it uses the word “coming” (parousia) when we would expect to see the word “rapture” if indeed this were a different event.

It is also interesting to note that the New Testament does use at least two other words to describe the return of our Lord, and once again no distinction is made. They are: apokalupsis, “revelation” and epiphaneia, “appearing.” Both of these Greek words are used as the hope of the church (1 Cor. 1:7; 2 Tim. 4:1,8; Titus 2:13; 1 Peter 1:7,13; 4:13) and in clear second coming passages (2 Thess. 1:7; 2:8).3 It would seem very strange then for the writers of the New Testament to use at least three different words interchangeably to describe two different events that are separated by seven years. In other words, it would be confusing to use these three words to speak of two different events without distinguishing the two events. We would expect them to use different words for different events (such as rapture and second coming maybe?). How are we able to distinguish what Scripture does not?



http://www.onenesspentecostal.com/po...Arnold-III.pdf

[Amanah]

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
When we take a closer look at our “rapture passage,” we see that Paul is not describing a new event but is explaining that at the coming of the Lord the dead will be raised.

Notice how he begins his thought in verse 13, “But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as do the rest who have no hope.” This sets the tone for what he is about to discuss. It is what he will be addressing, his “thesis statement” if you will. We then see him develop his theme of the dead in Christ as he goes on:

[14] For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus. [15] For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. [16] For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. [17] Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. [18] Therefore comfort one another with these words. [1 Thess. 4:14-18]

Paul‟s point to the believers at Thessalonica is that they need not worry about their dead loved ones. Jesus will resurrect them when he returns. He says that this will take place at “the coming of the Lord.” There is no hint that this is any different than the coming which everyone was expecting–the one that Jesus told his apostles would take place “after the tribulation” (Matt. 24:29). We would also expect that the eschatology Jesus taught them would be the same as what Paul was teaching, unless we have reason to believe differently.

It is primarily this lack of evidence for multiple comings that is the basis for post-tribulationism. When it is realized that there is only one coming, post- is the only position. All agree that Christ is coming after the Tribulation, so if there is only one coming (or one stage of his coming as some prefer to call it), then the rapture must occur after the Tribulation.

http://www.onenesspentecostal.com/po...Arnold-III.pdf

http://www.onenesspentecostal.com/po...Arnold-III.pdf

[Sean]

John 14:18


I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.




.....multiple comings are a fact.

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Sean

John 14:18


I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.




.....multiple comings are a fact.

different coming from Strong's G3952 – parousia, the visible return from heaven of Jesus.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Amanah

different coming from Strong's G3952 – parousia, the visible return from heaven of Jesus.

Is he from the 1600's?

Is he smarter than the KJV translators that shoulda said all of that?

Just WHO is this great man that redefined our Bible?

He is a legend now.

[Esaias]

And now that the Spongebobs have been dealt with, we can get back to the subject of the thread. Which is that pre trib is not only an "error" but a direct denial of the PLAIN declarations of Scripture. To believe pre trib is to disbelieve the Bible. To reject the Bible puts your soul on the wrong side of the line.

So pre tribbers need to repent and just accept the apostles doctrine - come out of heresy.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Esaias

And now that the Spongebobs have been dealt with, we can get back to the subject of the thread. Which is that pre trib is not only an "error" but a direct denial of the PLAIN declarations of Scripture. To believe pre trib is to disbelieve the Bible. To reject the Bible puts your soul on the wrong side of the line.

So pre tribbers need to repent and just accept the apostles doctrine - come out of heresy.

Yeah, you blankety blank heretics. Jesus loves you.