Pre trib rapture teaching is heresy

[Esaias]

And now that the Spongebobs have been dealt with, we can get back to the subject of the thread. Which is that pre trib is not only an "error" but a direct denial of the PLAIN declarations of Scripture. To believe pre trib is to disbelieve the Bible. To reject the Bible puts your soul on the wrong side of the line.

So pre tribbers need to repent and just accept the apostles doctrine - come out of heresy.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Esaias

You know, I GUARANTEE you don't talk like this in person.

Hope you grow up, Snowflake. Just be careful in the real world, people like you have a habit of letting their smart mouths write checks their hind ends can't cash.

What if nDavid is 6'7" and ripped.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Esaias

And now that the Spongebobs have been dealt with, we can get back to the subject of the thread. Which is that pre trib is not only an "error" but a direct denial of the PLAIN declarations of Scripture. To believe pre trib is to disbelieve the Bible. To reject the Bible puts your soul on the wrong side of the line.

So pre tribbers need to repent and just accept the apostles doctrine - come out of heresy.

Yeah, you blankety blank heretics. Jesus loves you.

[Sean]

Post tribbers can use their doctrine to "weed out" the weak minded saint.

That is how mind control works.

Get rid of the "sissy's" and keep the gung-ho warriors for the war with the antichrist(like Waco).

When they are finally overcome by the antichrist, they can go down shouting "Hoorah".

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Sean

John 14:18


I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.




.....multiple comings are a fact.

different coming from Strong's G3952 – parousia, the visible return from heaven of Jesus.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Amanah

different coming from Strong's G3952 – parousia, the visible return from heaven of Jesus.

Is he from the 1600's?

Is he smarter than the KJV translators that shoulda said all of that?

Just WHO is this great man that redefined our Bible?

He is a legend now.

[Sean]

Fact is, Jesus comes to a place He already is(different ways).

[Amanah]

Pre-Tribulationism Is Based on Inferences and Is Not Specifically Taught in Scripture
The doctrine of a pre-tribulation rapture is not specifically taught in the Bible. Instead, it is based upon other doctrines which pre-tribulationists conclude require a pre-tribulation rapture: such as, imminency, exemption from wrath, distinction between the church and Israel, etc. However, nowhere does the Bible say that Jesus will come prior to the Tribulation. On the other hand, Jesus himself said that he would return “after the tribulation” (Matt. 24:29-31).


Burden of Proof
Finally, if pre-tribulationism is not specifically taught in Scripture, and we all agree to the post-tribulational second coming, then post- is the default position. It is up to the pre-tribulationist to demonstrate that there are two separate events and that the first of these takes place before the Tribulation. Unless it can be demonstrated otherwise, we are left to assume that the “blessed hope” of the believer is the second coming of Christ after the Tribulation.

[Amanah]

Revelation 20:4-5
[4] Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. [5] The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were completed. This is the first resurrection. [Rev. 20:4-5, emphasis added]

That this is taking place after the Tribulation is obvious. People are sitting on thrones reigning with Jesus. Both sides are in agreement at this point. But what to me seems equally clear is that the Bible states this is the first resurrection. If the rapture is to be preceded by the resurrection of believers (1 Thess. 4:15-17; 1 Cor. 15:52), and this is the first resurrection, then the rapture must be after the Tribulation.

[Amanah]

Matthew 24:29-31
[29] But immediately after the tribulation of those days THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED, AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT, AND THE STARS WILL FALL from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. [30] And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the SON OF MAN COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF THE SKY with power and great glory. [31] And He will send forth His angels with A GREAT TRUMPET and THEY WILL GATHER TOGETHER His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other. [Matt. 24:29-31]

As was already pointed out, this passage has more similarities to the one rapture passage (1 Thess. 4:17) than any other passage in the Bible. However, since it explicitly states that it is “after the tribulation,” pre-tribulationists claim that this is not the rapture, although they readily claim 1 Corinthians 15:52 as a rapture passage based on fewer similarities.