Pre trib rapture teaching is heresy - Page 49

n david · #**481** 11-22-2017, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

You know, I GUARANTEE you don't talk like this in person.

Hope you grow up, Snowflake. Just be careful in the real world, people like you have a habit of letting their smart mouths write checks their hind ends can't cash.

Amanah · #**482** 11-22-2017, 10:07 AM

Not Appointed to Wrath?

A major tenet of pre-tribulationism is based on exemption from divine wrath. Passages such as Romans 5:9 and 1 Thessalonians 1:10; 5:9 teach that God has spared believers from his orge (wrath) which he will pour out on unbelievers. The question then becomes, “When does the orge of God take place?” If we accept the order of Revelation laid out in the preceding section, then it only takes place after the Tribulation. This word is found only six times in the book, and it is always used in a post-tribulational setting.18 It accompanies the cosmic signs and revealing of the Lord at the sixth seal (6:16, 17); it is found after the seventh trumpet (11:18); it is used to describe the final torment of believers in hell (14:10); it is found after the seventh bowl (16:19); and it is used in connection with Christ‟s second coming (19:15). Therefore, there is no problem reconciling the promise of deliverance from God‟s orge with a post-tribulational rapture. Every time this promise is made, this word orge is used. If the orge does not take place until after the tribulation is over and the church is raptured, then God‟s promise is kept.

http://www.onenesspentecostal.com/po...Arnold-III.pdf

n david · #**483** 11-22-2017, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

You know, I GUARANTEE you don't talk like this in person.

Oh, you "guarantee" I don't, eh? Here's the thing, what I post online is what I would say to a person, face to face.

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Originally Posted by Esaias

Hope you grow up, Snowflake. Just be careful in the real world, people like you have a habit of letting their smart mouths write checks their hind ends can't cash.

Are you really trying to scare me with this stupid threat? Kick rocks, dude. You don't scare me.

Pathetic. You condemn thousands to hell over your personal interpretation of scripture, but get mad and issue threats when someone pushes back.

What a loser.

n david · #**484** 11-22-2017, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Sean

What if nDavid is 6'7" and ripped.

No, I'm not 6'7" or ripped. I just have the sometimes unfortunate attitude of "I don't give a care." Especially when someone is mouthing off, calling names, etc.

n david · #**485** 11-22-2017, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

You know, I GUARANTEE you don't talk like this in person.

Hope you grow up, Snowflake. Just be careful in the real world, people like you have a habit of letting their smart mouths write checks their hind ends can't cash.

What's funny is you wouldn't stand in a room full of pre-trib ministers and call them the names you've used in your posts: Cultists. Mind control cult. Heretics. Pushers of false doctrine. Damnable heretics. Damned. Condemned.

And I guarantee (to use your arrogance) you wouldn't d amn and condemn them to hell to their face. You'll post it, but no way would you stand in a room full of ministers and condemn them to hell.

Amanah · #**486** 11-22-2017, 10:49 AM

2 Corinthians 5 - The Bible says we are to persuade men, acting as ambassadors for Christ.

Originalist · #**487** 11-22-2017, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Sean

God saved Noah and his family from physical destruction, but will not save His bride from physical destruction?

This makes the comparison Jesus used in Matt. null and void.

We will be saved of the destruction of God's wrath. But we are PROMISED that we will not always escape physical destruction from persecution.

Esaias · #**488** 11-22-2017, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by n david

What's funny is you wouldn't stand in a room full of pre-trib ministers and call them the names you've used in your posts: Cultists. Mind control cult. Heretics. Pushers of false doctrine. Damnable heretics. Damned. Condemned.

And I guarantee (to use your arrogance) you wouldn't d amn and condemn them to hell to their face. You'll post it, but no way would you stand in a room full of ministers and condemn them to hell.

I don't "condemn (anyone) to hell", Snowflake. I just state what the Scriptures state.

And, yes, I've been booted from churches before for publicly exposing doctrinal error and its consequences. I've also had my share of conversations with ministers concerning the consequences of heretical doctrines. It's been only a few times, as I generally don't fellowship with heretics if I can help it. And my conversations with them have sometimes been - LITERALLY - with tears streaming down my face as I pleaded with them to believe the Scriptures and let go of man made traditions.

Aren't you a music director or something? That might explain your weird reactions to various things.

Esaias · #**489** 11-22-2017, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Amanah

2 Corinthians 5 - The Bible says we are to persuade men, acting as ambassadors for Christ.

Yes indeed. But it also says "a man that is a heretic, after the first and second admonition, reject, knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself." (Titus 3:10-11).

Esaias · #**490** 11-22-2017, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

Yes indeed. But it also says "a man that is a heretic, after the first and second admonition, reject, knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself." (Titus 3:10-11).

Which yet again proves that heresies destroy the soul.