EB's problem is his philosophy isn't backed up by scripture. Jesus or Paul would not have met his criteria. Paul quoted pagan poets. Jesus told stories... They didn't mention acts 2:38 in every message. EB is unreasonable and unscriptural. At least he's got the acts 2:38 thing correct.
Jesus never had a God meter running. Paul didn't mention Jesus or acts 2:38 on Mars Hill. Paul fails the eb salvation presentation model.
of course they do, EB's main thing here is ripping on anyone who isn't either him, supported directly by him, or doing things exactly like him...
He thinks TV is evil so either he has to attack Veggietales and say they are evil since they are on TV and I stated so (which is where this started) or he has to admit that all TV isn't evil...
This whole conversation, his whole argument about Veggietales being evil is all based upon his refusal to admit that anything on tv could even be a little good and not working directly for Satan to drag us down to hell....
Now I get it. Somewhere the legalist got it in his head cartoons are prophesying over children. Did anyone say veggietales were prophesying over the kids? His arguement is based on dillusions in his own head.
You see your anger has unbalanced you. No, you have stated that by the watching of a cartoon program the child receives the Holy Ghost with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues. IS that correct? Yes or No?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but that is what has been posted by you all?
You think that I am limiting God, because I refuse to believe your story.
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Reality takes a back seat when one lives in the fairly tale land of legalism.
The above is called PROJECTING here we have an Illegalist projecting their behavior on to another. It may work with your arguments between you and your parents when you are asked to clean your room, but hardly works when you are dealing with the rest of society. My suggestion would be that you turn off your computer and seek employment that would keep you busy and help you to interact with others who hold views different from yourself.
You see your whole problem is coming from me not believing what you have posted, it's not really about the Veggie Tales anymore, and you are just steamed that I don't believe your report. Listen that will happen throughout your life, but you will have to deal with it or try to make a stronger argument. Since you cannot protect your argument with scripture, you are getting upset.
Listen the main problem here is that I don't accept what you believe or your story about Veggie Tales imparting the Holy Ghost to children.
__________________ "all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
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EB's problem is his philosophy isn't backed up by scripture. Jesus or Paul would not have met his criteria. Paul quoted pagan poets. Jesus told stories... They didn't mention acts 2:38 in every message. EB is unreasonable and unscriptural. At least he's got the acts 2:38 thing correct.
Hold on quoting Greek philosophy and a talking turnip spouting moronic rhetoric are two different things but since you don't understand what Paul was doing or what Greek Philosophy is about you try to jumble your Holy Ghost in parting together with what the Apostle was trying to do on the Areopagus. I'm not the one being unscriptural here, but would welcome you to present your case on Veggie Tales using scripture to back your argument.
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Jesus never had a God meter running. Paul didn't mention Jesus or acts 2:38 on Mars Hill. Paul fails the eb salvation presentation model.
Here's your chance show me scripturally how Paul's meeting on the Hill of Mar's is the same as talking onions.
__________________ "all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
~Declaration of Independence
Hold on quoting Greek philosophy and a talking turnip spouting moronic rhetoric are two different things but since you don't understand what Paul was doing or what Greek Philosophy is about you try to jumble your Holy Ghost in parting together with what the Apostle was trying to do on the Areopagus. I'm not the one being unscriptural here, but would welcome you to present your case on Veggie Tales using scripture to back your argument.
dude, seriously, you really need to stop, because every post you make you just make yourself sound dumber and dumber and dumber...
Every episode of Veggietales ends with them (or at least they used to I haven't seen the newest few) getting a scripture verse explaining the "moral" of the story they told in that episode... The only exceptions are like the "Silly Song Countdowns" and stuff like that...
Not only that, but I'd say 3/4 of the episodes are stories directly taken from the Bible and then retold using vegetables/fruit as the characters with a dash of childish silliness thrown in (since the show is aimed at like 5 year olds)
But, hey, keep on your crusade against Veggietales, I have no problem with you making a gigantic fool out of yourself...
Bro. EB, I just want to make a couple of points. I have seen kids pray through after nothing more than a puppet skit, and or some other kind of theatrical presentation. The message during the puppet skit brought conviction, children were praying, crying, and receiving the Holy Ghost in the altars. Why could not the exact same message be communicated on a video recording of that exact same skit? Not that this should be the only or primary method of communicating truth, but that it CAN simply be an alternate method, and variation. Kids are open to things like that. I don't personally know about the message being communicated through veggie tales, but if a puppet show can bring conviction, why couldn't talking vegetables? I think it would really be beneficial for you and your ministry to consider critically and analytically what is being introduced. No one is saying that they are going to resort to puppet shows or vegetable cartoons solely in their efforts to communicate to children, but they may consider it simply as an alternative and variation to some of the other methods they use.
BTW brother, keep us posted as well on the revivals you are having!! Lord bless you my brother!
EB wouldn't have a problem with it if the veggies were stuck to a flannel graph board, but quality animation would cause it to be ungodly. The God of all the variations in nature and varied temperaments in people, colors of the rainbow, cannot tolerate the creativity of HIS human creation. Sorry, EB can't go there with you on this one.
__________________ For it is written, "As I live, says the Lord every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall give praise to God. (Romans 14:11- NASB)
The above is called PROJECTING here we have an Illegalist projecting their behavior on to another. It may work with your arguments between you and your parents when you are asked to clean your room, but hardly works when you are dealing with the rest of society. My suggestion would be that you turn off your computer and seek employment that would keep you busy and help you to interact with others who hold views different from yourself.
Projecting is is what happens when one finishes the bile from your posts. I interact well with others. For 10 years I've been employed with a plethora of personalities. None like your. An athiest is easier to deal with than a self righteous know it all legalist.
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you have stated that by the watching of a cartoon program the child receives the Holy Ghost with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues. IS that correct? Yes or No?
I and others have stated that kids have desired to get right with God after watching a veggie tale program... Which includes the infilling of the Holy Ghost.
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Listen the main problem here is that I don't accept what you believe or your story about Veggie Tales imparting the Holy Ghost to children.
A total mischaracterizatoin of facts. No one says Veggie Tales is imparting the Holy Ghost to the kids. Kids watched the program, kids wanted the Holy Ghost, kids got the Holy Ghost.
You can't use the same tactics the anti-tv debaters use where they pulled out ridiculous statements from their bvd's and parade them to the world as gospel. It stunk to high heaven then, It stinks to heaven now.
And by the way I've used scripture... If you need a pair of coke rimmed glasses, I'll loan you Bill Price's pair. He couldn't read either.
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
You see your anger has unbalanced you. No, you have stated that by the watching of a cartoon program the child receives the Holy Ghost with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues. IS that correct? Yes or No?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but that is what has been posted by you all?
You think that I am limiting God, because I refuse to believe your story.
The above is called PROJECTING here we have an Illegalist projecting their behavior on to another. It may work with your arguments between you and your parents when you are asked to clean your room, but hardly works when you are dealing with the rest of society. My suggestion would be that you turn off your computer and seek employment that would keep you busy and help you to interact with others who hold views different from yourself.
You see your whole problem is coming from me not believing what you have posted, it's not really about the Veggie Tales anymore, and you are just steamed that I don't believe your report. Listen that will happen throughout your life, but you will have to deal with it or try to make a stronger argument. Since you cannot protect your argument with scripture, you are getting upset.
Listen the main problem here is that I don't accept what you believe or your story about Veggie Tales imparting the Holy Ghost to children.
Listen the main problem here is that I don't accept what you believe or your story about Veggie Tales imparting the Holy Ghost to children.
I hate to have to point out the obvious...
but no human being, tv show, radio program, or anything else but God himself "imparts" the Holy Ghost on or to anyone...
God gives that, not anything we do... and it is blasphemy to suggest otherwise...
The real question is if you think it is you and your ministry that is actually imparting the Holy Ghost on the people who get saved at the meetings you preach at...
Now I get it. Somewhere the legalist got it in his head cartoons are prophesying over children. Did anyone say veggietales were prophesying over the kids? His arguement is based on dillusions in his own head.
Reality takes a back seat when one lives in the fairly tale land of legalism.
I don't think he ever even saw one to know. He certainly never answered my question. Yet he feels qualified to say what does or does not take place in one of those videos?
__________________ Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
EB comments remarks are undefensible and unscriptural. He reminds of the elephant who has his nose stuck up backside of another elephant. The smell and the view is the same.
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I don't think he ever even saw one to know. He certainly never answered my question. Yet he feels qualified to say what does or does not take place in one of those videos?
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