{{{{{{{BREAKING NEWS!!!}}}}}} Tulsa Folks may be forced out!!! NO DUAL MEMBERSHIP!!!!

[revrandy]

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

Is it the norm in Oklahoma?

Casting California Schism on everyone is not at all fair.

Where does the Majority of the New Org's Leadership come from?

and yes there are a few churches in OK that were once UPC that don't allow their people or kids to UPC functions...

It happens everywhere...BOOM...you know first hand what we're saying..

[PastorD]

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

This exactly is why sometimes bad preachers are not cast out. Threat of lawsuits. Cast out and lose the church?

Wait, it is one reason we have an AS, isn't it?

Our example......RG. He signs the same AS I do. He is in WD!

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Originally Posted by revrandy

Where does the Majority of the New Org's Leadership come from?

and yes there are a few churches in OK that were once UPC that don't allow their people or kids to UPC functions...

It happens everywhere...BOOM...you know first hand what we're saying..

It would not be fun if only Thad stirred the pot....

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Originally Posted by PastorD

Our example......RG. He signs the same AS I do. He is in WD!

I know of an issue where I certainly thought there would be some different actions. I was confused and asked a former DS his opinion. He said unless you have sat on a board dealing with a fallen Preacher, you never know the whole story. He related to me of one similiar preacher who fell and was never brought back. I have seen the good, the bad, and the very ugly in my 29 years in Pentecost. I also know of a couple hundred men who would get out of bed in the middle of the night to help all they could if someone was in trouble near them.

[Pastor Keith]

Originally Posted by Thad

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DRAMATIC EARTH BREAKING NEWS




Did you hear that meetings will Held SOON on the possibility of Passing a Rule not to allow Dual Memberships with UPC and Tulsa ?????????????


There is a Group of Preachers who want a Rule Passed NOW where the Tulsa folks will have to decide one way or the other!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well there is some type of prohibition against secret societies right?

[Carpenter]

Originally Posted by keith4him

Well there is some type of prohibition against secret societies right?

What was the saying? That organization is the opiate of the masses...?

[Elfin]

btw, I've read some thoughts on it on here...but I haven't really gotten a true sense of what everyone thinks...

So, this whole question of it being a "fellowship" rather than another "organization." The UPC requires disclosure of licensing credentials w/ other religious organizations, right?

I mean, so the WWPF doesn't actually do "licensing" - or there's the speculation that they might do the two tiered thing...w/ some people being "licensed" and some people just being members of the fellowship... I mean, isn't all that just semantics?? Even if it’s two-tiered membership, it still smells super-fishy to me.

[SoCaliUPC]

Originally Posted by Elfin

btw, I've read some thoughts on it on here...but I haven't really gotten a true sense of what everyone thinks...

So, this whole question of it being a "fellowship" rather than another "organization." The UPC requires disclosure of licensing credentials w/ other religious organizations, right?

I mean, so the WWPF doesn't actually do "licensing" - or there's the speculation that they might do the two tiered thing...w/ some people being "licensed" and some people just being members of the fellowship... I mean, isn't all that just semantics?? Even if it’s two-tiered membership, it still smells super-fishy to me.

I agree Elfin. I am not against the Tulsa group starting...but this whole thing about some being licensed and others not.....seems to try and get around the Resolution 3 that they passed. It is super-fishy.

[Jekyll]

Can anyone clarify (just for the record) why curcumventing an org.'s bylaws is wrong? Is it not ethical but not wrong? Is it both unethical and wrong? Why?

[embonpoint]

Originally Posted by revrandy

Where does the Majority of the New Org's Leadership come from?

I don't see, a majority from any state. 18% are from CA.

What are you saying?