Oneness or Twoness Mailout from Joel Hemphill

[Sister Alvear]

Originally Posted by TalkLady

I think Bro. and Sis. Wheat took their church after the Hemphills left it. Is that the same church? I remember them from years ago. I loved "He's Still Working on Me" and "I Came On Business for the King"...."Consider the Lilies"..."I Claim the Blood" ...and my favorite song by the Hemphills: "Master of the Wind".

yes it is the same church.

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

The Late William Sowders was the primary leader of a group of Pentecostals that had their roots in the early years of the Amercian Pentecostal movement. The group spilt up after his death most are called The Gospel Assembly or something like that. They have a large church in Houston and there is one in San Antonio.
Sowders taught the Jehovah Witness view of the Godhead that there are two Gods that is their terminology not mine. Jehovah is God senior and Jesus is God junior. Jesus was Micheal the archangel before Bethlehem.
They claim to baptize in Jesus Name however their view is quite different they teach all organizations are part of Babylon therefore they do not baptize in Jesus Name only the Body of Christ(which is them)can baptize in Jesus Name although they may baptize and say nothing. Or I saw one baptize a convert in "the name of heaven once?"
They also teach(mostly not all)
No Hell
144,000 are the Bride
Perfection to the extent to be perfect no physical relations with their companions,(not many have reached this)
The truth is being restored.
The devil is the flesh there is not an evil spirit in opposition to God only the carnal mind.
Sex was the sin in the garden that Eve committed with her husband!
and many other absurd teachings.

We have a primarily African American church in Lake Charles that follows many of the Sowderite teachings. I have visited and they seem traditional until you begin to hear them addressing Jesus the son separate and apart from God Almighty.

[Sister Alvear]

very sad...They were always and sure they still are such nice folks. I haven´t seen them in many years...I spoke at their church when I was about 17 years old in Bastrop...
I still love them though have not seen them for years and it saddens me he no longer believes Jesus is God....if I understand right...I will go back and read the material when I have time.
Such good people and such good singers.

[Sister Alvear]

Brother Phil does he believe like the Jehovah Witnesses about Jesus?

[Dora]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Do you remember the Pattons in Dallas and Houston I am sure your grandfather knew them. They were leaders in that group. The church in Houston ran a couple of thousand.

The name sounds familiar, but I can't say I know them. Paw Paw Guidroz had his thumb on the pulse of the Pentecostal movement and he was one tough cookie. Hard worker and zealout for reaching souls with the Pentecostal message. (But he didn't like majoring on the minors.)

There was some discussion of other organizations, especially, "free Pentecost" groups. There were two "free Pentecost" families who lived on the same street as my g-parents. But "free" didn't necessarily mean women wearing pants, tons of make-up, jewelry. They wore gauchos when we jumped on the trampoline, their mom still wore her hair up or down and long (trimmed), and she wore minimal make-up and minimal jewelry (no ear rings).

Paw Paw and Maw Maw didn't want us to fellowship too much with them. Didn't say we couldn't go play with them, but we could tell they didn't approve...

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

Brother Phil does he believe like the Jehovah Witnesses about Jesus?

Very much the same, Sis. Alvear! Definitely the son of God but not God manifested in the flesh. A perfect man but never God.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

Reading some posting here the last two weeks, Joel Hemphill should have a strong following from some members of this forum.

I guess I have not seen the posts that say Jesus is not God.

[Dora]

This is what I love about AFF...gets me digging in the Word and pulling out my Systematic Theology notes and studying text books...

I have DB's book from my days in JCM and CLC. So blessed to study under two great Pentecostal theologians: David Bernard and Daniel Segraves.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by acharris

Here is a direct quote from him off his website: http://www.trumpetcallbooks.com/trinity_truth.html

"The Bible clearly teaches that Jesus Christ is the supernaturally conceived, virgin-born, sinless Son of God; savior, redeemer, Messiah and the only way to God . His name is the only name whereby mankind can be saved. He has been anointed, appointed, approved, empowered and ordained to build a kingdom, which he will reign over on Planet Earth for 1000 years, before he lays it at the feet of God our Father (I Cor. 15:24-28; Rev. 20:4-7) .

But Jesus is not a human incarnation of Almighty God as the Oneness teach, nor an incarnation of God the Son, second person of a triune God, a pre-existent being, as millions of Trinitarians believe.

Sounds like Joel believes like our very own Chancellor, where has he gone??

Originally Posted by crakjak

Sounds like Joel believes like our very own Chancellor, where has he gone??

To borrow a gambling analogy a la Tim Landry, I think he took a "Chance" on the "don't come line"!