RIP: The Neutralizing of Preaching Personalities

[Whole Hearted]

Again I did not say all, but I have meet my share who want to take us a different direction. I for one and the church I am privileged to pastor aren't going with them.

Thank God for the good young preachers we have. They are young and going in the right direction.


We are a church on the move in the RIGHT direction.

Originally Posted by Carpenter

Ugh, I hope this doesn't turn into another TV discussion, I kind of like the initial premise of the thread.

I believe what has been said here is accurate, however one thing plaguing the current generation of ministers are two daunting obstacles.

One is the natural progression of emulation. I have seen more preachers trying to emulate the ministers of the past, trying to ride the coat-tails of those who have paved the way, and paid their dues.

Secondly, and I believe this is the biggest obstacle to fulfilling a true anointing, is the two-fold desire to develop new-fangled programs in which the preacher can take the credit for design. There have been minister after minister come through bringing their 12 Tribe concept of church growth, prayer seminars to enhance church growth and revival, the 12 step program for a closer walk with God, labeling revivals as "crusades" attaching their names to it, plays, poetry, costumes, army men a broken down volkswagon and the apocalypse, the grim reaper, lights camera ACTION! ...yada yada yada.

While the intentions may be fantastic, there is an element of self promotion involved that if it takes root, it means more dates for preaching, possibly a book, a CD, and money money money, name building, name building, LEGACY!

I am not saying this is the case across the board, throughout the org there are great men of God out there who understand the popular culture, the religious culture and climate of the church and they have realized there is a need for change in their approach and attitude. These are the men I wouldn't hesitate for one minute considering to be my pastor.

I would say the last time someone had me shaking in my boots was O.R. Fauss at Colorado Youth Camp in 1985.

Carp, you and I may not agree on everything but you have no idea how much I agree with this post.

I applaud the truth of this post.

[Ron]

I have heard some pray and expect of their son/daughter to be called or marry a preacher etc.

I leave that bit to God.

I only ask that they be saved whether they are preacher/preacher's wives, or good old saints.

Originally Posted by Carpenter

Maybe it is because I am getting older, but I find it difficult for a fuzzy faced preacher telling me how to overcome the hardships of life. I kind of feel like I am listening to a woman preaching when a young, single, whipper snapper gets up there and begins telling me, and I have lived for God longer than they have been on the earth, that I need to shape up and get right!

[Rhymis]

Asking this bunch (for the most part) about preachers is like asking frogs about igloos.

[Carpenter]

Originally Posted by Rhymis

Asking this bunch (for the most part) about preachers is like asking frogs about igloos.

You think there is merit in asking a frog questions about igloos?

hmmm....

Originally Posted by Rhymis

Asking this bunch (for the most part) about preachers is like asking frogs about igloos.

Now THAT is funny!

[revrandy]

there is a term I used elsewhere and it's

Marketing God...

They have relegated the Supernatural to shameless self promotion imo... and I think the majority of folks are seeing the light concerning these guys...

Preaching humility but having None....

Originally Posted by Carpenter

Ugh, I hope this doesn't turn into another TV discussion, I kind of like the initial premise of the thread.

I believe what has been said here is accurate, however one thing plaguing the current generation of ministers are two daunting obstacles.

One is the natural progression of emulation. I have seen more preachers trying to emulate the ministers of the past, trying to ride the coat-tails of those who have paved the way, and paid their dues.

Secondly, and I believe this is the biggest obstacle to fulfilling a true anointing, is the two-fold desire to develop new-fangled programs in which the preacher can take the credit for design. There have been minister after minister come through bringing their 12 Tribe concept of church growth, prayer seminars to enhance church growth and revival, the 12 step program for a closer walk with God, labeling revivals as "crusades" attaching their names to it, plays, poetry, costumes, army men a broken down volkswagon and the apocalypse, the grim reaper, lights camera ACTION! ...yada yada yada.

While the intentions may be fantastic, there is an element of self promotion involved that if it takes root, it means more dates for preaching, possibly a book, a CD, and money money money, name building, name building, LEGACY!

I am not saying this is the case across the board, throughout the org there are great men of God out there who understand the popular culture, the religious culture and climate of the church and they have realized there is a need for change in their approach and attitude. These are the men I wouldn't hesitate for one minute considering to be my pastor.

I would say the last time someone had me shaking in my boots was O.R. Fauss at Colorado Youth Camp in 1985.

On second thought... I think the highlighted part of this post should be a thread of it's own. Why do we rely on gimmicks and programs so much when it should be a natural heartbeat to do these things?

Originally Posted by revrandy

there is a term I used elsewhere and it's

Marketing God...

They have relegated the Supernatural to shameless self promotion imo... and I think the majority of folks are seeing the light concerning these guys...

Preaching humility but having None....

Truth