I will agree with you that something causes death. What I don't agree with you on is what the cause has to be.
I didn't say what the cause had to be. It could be anything! But it has to be something, and that's the only point I've been making.
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His faith had nothing to do with his wife's faith. In fact, when his wife was in ministry he was a plumber. His ministry and gifting really did not come into manifestation until after her death.
Dealing with the cause...why can't we just go when our time is done? Why can't the cause be that our spirit left our physical body? Why do we have to believe that some form of event such as sickness, which was paid by the blood, or an accident which we have been told that we can have divine protection (psalms 91) or some other thing that operates because of sin must thrust us into heaven. Why don't we believe that Jesus made a way for us to live long, healthy, and prosperous as we go about establishing His covenant in the earth?
Because we live in the real world. There is a cause for death. God made us human, and in order to die, something has to go wrong with our body in some way. I don't know why it has to be that way, but I do know that it has to be that way.
And it doesn't have to be because of sin. Life happens. So does death.
I guess the only suggestion that I could make is for you to get into your Bible and study covenant. Go through and find all the "in Him", "in Christ", and find the promises associated with it. You don't have to have something go wrong to leave this world - oh death where is your sting!
I guess the only suggestion that I could make is for you to get into your Bible and study covenant. Go through and find all the "in Him", "in Christ", and find the promises associated with it. You don't have to have something go wrong to leave this world - oh death where is your sting!
Do you understand physiology? What you are talking about above has nothing to do with what my point has been. Death is the result of something going wrong in the body. If your heart stops beating, something went wrong to cause that! Your heart isn't supposed to stop beating unless something goes wrong somewhere!
The departure of your spirit will cause your heart to stop beating. Your body does not have to be sick for your spirit to leave your body. That's my point. Physiology is man's attempt at understanding God's design. While it has merit, the Word of God, promises of God, and power of God is the only thing that is important (to me).
My point that you referenced is that people will get what they believe. There are people who believe that poverty is a sign of humility. They are broke. There are those who believe that God wants His people prosperous, they typically are prosperous. Their are those that believe people get sick and die, they typically get sick and die and their are those who believe they can live in divine health. They are typically healthy.
Faith cometh by hearing the Word (Romans 10:17). I have a friend who came to me that was diagnosed with prostrate cancer. The doctors gave him three options to deal with it and he asked me what I would do. I told him that I would tell him what I would do because what I would do might kill him (I would believe God before a medicine). I told him that before he made a decision he should spend some time in prayer and find out which way the Lord would have him to go.
He came back to me a couple of weeks later, and with tears in his eyes said that he believed the Lord wanted him to just trust him. I told him I would be in agreement with him. That was almost four years ago. No treatment, no pain, no problems - you get what you can believe for.
My opinion --- we should constantly be working to get our faith reaching beyond what we can conceive is possible. Whenever you allow science, politics, economy to be the determining factor of your belief you will not experience God's best.
One more example, and don't get mad at me. I understand where you are coming from and I am not trying to argue with you. I am just trying to challenge your faith so that you can reach higher places.
In December 07 I came into the month going to be $1,100.00 short not counting any Christmas expenses due to a special tax assessment on my home that I wasn't expecting. Now, two things you have to know about me. First, I don't do debt. I am redeemed from and I am not going to make myself servant to the lender. And two I believe that God has provided everything I need and is obligated to take care of me.
My wife asked what we were going to do. My answer: We're not going to stop giving (tithes and offerings), we're not going to stop anything. We will take the grocery money and use it because God is obligated to feed us:
Ps 37:25
25 I have been young, and now am old; yet have I not seen the righteous forsaken, nor his seed begging bread. (KJV)
Things looked pretty bad the first few days, eating leftovers and putting things together. Then people started calling wanting to take us to dinner, but on the 10th everything broke and by the end of the month our December was the best month of the year.
Tax assessment paid, had a nice Christmas, all bills paid, took my family to Disneyland as part of a Christmas present ($900 expense), and had money left over in the bank. OH MY GOD IS A GOOD GOD AND NOTHING BEYOND WHAT HE CAN DO.
Sorry for being so long, but let me encourage you....Believe in the impossible God can do it.
The departure of your spirit will cause your heart to stop beating. Your body does not have to be sick for your spirit to leave your body. That's my point. Physiology is man's attempt at understanding God's design. While it has merit, the Word of God, promises of God, and power of God is the only thing that is important (to me).
The departure of the spirit is the result, not the cause, of the heart to stop beating. For instance, Christ died FIRST, then His Spirit left Him. You will not find scripture that says the Spirit of Christ left, THEN He died. You will not find any scripture where someone's spirit left them, THEN they died.
Physiology....you apparently don't seem to understand the definition or you wouldn't treat that word as if it were theory.
God made us physiological beings!! He made our brains to be able to understand His design!!!
This is how I understand your example of the death of Smith Wigglesworth. This is complete assumption on my part, but since I know these things and how body systems work, it would be interesting to find out how 'on the right track' I am, if I could find out his cause of death.
Smith Wigglesworth was quite a sick man for several years of his life. Although he was healed of many things, some things mention no healing. He suffered a stroke less than three years before his death. High blood pressure and heart disease is known to be a factor in the risk for strokes. Rarely will you find a completely healthy person suffer from a stroke.
There is no mention that he was healed from his stroke, although he did recover somewhat. This is common for many people who have strokes. I took care of a man last week who's had 6 strokes and 5 heart attacks. He can walk and talk, but he's not in good health (although by looking at him, you'd think he was in excellent health for his age).
Smith also suffered from sciatica and was in pain from walking in his later years. He was also never healed from this. Walking caused him pain. Pain, especially intense pain, causes your blood pressure to increase. Constant high blood pressure causes heart and vessel damage and causes strokes!
In addition, he died while attending the funeral of a dear friend. The added stress of that situation just added to the problems he might have already had. Stress will also cause blood pressure to increase.
See how easy that is?
I'd be interested in finding out his cause of death if such info exists. I assure you that he wasn't just sitting down while the eulogy was being given when his spirit decided to take off, leaving his body lifeless.
John 9:1 - 7 (KJV) 1 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth. 2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind? 3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him. 4 I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work. 5 As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world. 6 When he had thus spoken, he spat on the ground, and made clay of the spittle, and he anointed the eyes of the blind man with the clay, 7 And said unto him, Go, wash in the pool of Siloam, (which is by interpretation, Sent.) He went his way therefore, and washed, and came seeing.
Yes, sin is the root cause of illness, but not always can an individual's sickness be blamed on sins committed by that individual.
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