Ok, if you say so. My point in all of this is that getting rid of the Ultracons is not going to help the UPC unless there is a fundamental change. I see TV being the best way to bring about that change.
I don't understand why you guys want these ultracons out so bad. Without their strong hand in the organization you guys will be the new ultracons and will find yourselves fighting to keep the traditions you have grown to love so well.
The UPC can't keep the liberals and it can't keep the ultracons so it is destined to be an org full of mediocre moderates unless it starts to allow the liberals back. The only way this will happen is to finally allow the PCI view to be preached.
Once this happens you can be sure that those that are "weak on your message" will come to power and those who are now moderates will be the new UCs.
The UPC is either going to have change or become completely irrelevant and just throwing the ultracons out is not going to bring the change that you guys are expecting.
Excellent points, though the UPC hasn't "thrown out the ultra-cons." Just like Johnny King is reported to have done, the ultra-cons will all do some sort of AMF style card burning and walk out of the meeting. Though the AMF might be an example of ultra-cons who were shown the door.
The WWPF has been carefully orchastrating their own departure but have tried all along to make it appear that they were being forced out.
Excellent points, though the UPC hasn't "thrown out the ultra-cons." Just like Johnny King is reported to have done, the ultra-cons will all do some sort of AMF style card burning and walk out of the meeting. Though the AMF might be an example of ultra-cons who were shown the door.
The WWPF has been carefully orchastrating their own departure but have tried all along to make it appear that they were being forced out.
you forgot to include the words "for a long time"
__________________ If I do something stupid blame the Lortab!
I thought the AMF was formed after Bro. Murray Burr did not get elected to the office of GS so he and others left.
I'm not an "expert" on that particular time, but I think you are correct about Murray Burr and his lost election. However there were several other complicating factors. Timlan touches on some of that here. The folllowing posts are good too.
The one preacher that I knew myself who had left the UPC for the AMF did so because he was being dealt with in a very unethical and mean spirited fashion by his Superintendent.
I haven't seen any of the WWPF guys having their church property ownership threatened like some of the AMF cases. Until Monday the UPC has had a very hands off policy toward the WWPF ministers. And now, the only action that has been taken has been for them to say "choose."
I'm not an "expert" on that particular time, but I think you are correct about Murray Burr and his lost election. However there were several other complicating factors. Timlan touches on some of that here. The folllowing posts are good too.
The one preacher that I knew myself who had left the UPC for the AMF did so because he was being dealt with in a very unethical and mean spirited fashion by his Superintendent.
I haven't seen any of the WWPF guys having their church property ownership threatened like some of the AMF cases. Until Monday the UPC has had a very hands off policy toward the WWPF ministers. And now, the only action that has been taken has been for them to say "choose."
My father expressed much sadness of the forming of the AMF and the men that left the UPC. He chose to stay though there was a time when he came very close to leaving.
__________________ "I have had a perfectly wonderful evening, but this wasn't it."
Excellent points, though the UPC hasn't "thrown out the ultra-cons." Just like Johnny King is reported to have done, the ultra-cons will all do some sort of AMF style card burning and walk out of the meeting. Though the AMF might be an example of ultra-cons who were shown the door.
The WWPF has been carefully orchastrating their own departure but have tried all along to make it appear that they were being forced out.
Pelathais,
I greatly enjoy interacting with you from time to time here on AFF, and even though I disagree from time to time with some of your ideology, we may not be that far apart in our core beliefs.
Having said that I do take issue with the above post. This post promotes the erroneous idea that Bro. King left the GB meeting in some kind of "victim" mentality or display. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Bro. King has reported that the GB made their decision after much prayer and healthy discussion. There was no mean spirit displayed by either side. (the rest of this is reported by others) After the GB made their final decision on the matter by way of voting, Bro. King addressed the GB with all humility, and after his subsequent resignation, the GB gathered around him and all of them prayed for him. It was a very amicable and noble departure, not one hewn with animosity and innuendo.
There are no card burning meetings planned, and if someone even tried such a thing, they would be immediately expelled from the WPF roster as that kind of attitude and spirit is totally against what the WPF stands for. JMHO
Pelathais,
I greatly enjoy interacting with you from time to time here on AFF, and even though I disagree from time to time with some of your ideology, we may not be that far apart in our core beliefs.
Having said that I do take issue with the above post. This post promotes the erroneous idea that Bro. King left the GB meeting in some kind of "victim" mentality or display. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Bro. King has reported that the GB made their decision after much prayer and healthy discussion. There was no mean spirit displayed by either side. (the rest of this is reported by others) After the GB made their final decision on the matter by way of voting, Bro. King addressed the GB with all humility, and after his subsequent resignation, the GB gathered around him and all of them prayed for him. It was a very amicable and noble departure, not one hewn with animosity and innuendo.
There are no card burning meetings planned, and if someone even tried such a thing, they would be immediately expelled from the WPF roster as that kind of attitude and spirit is totally against what the WPF stands for. JMHO
Thank you Bishoph. I obviously wasn't there and only have the usual forum gossip and reports to go on until a trusted source like yourself paints a clearer picture.
And as you appear to be stating, no one was "thrown out" either.
Pelathais,
I greatly enjoy interacting with you from time to time here on AFF, and even though I disagree from time to time with some of your ideology, we may not be that far apart in our core beliefs.
Having said that I do take issue with the above post. This post promotes the erroneous idea that Bro. King left the GB meeting in some kind of "victim" mentality or display. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Bro. King has reported that the GB made their decision after much prayer and healthy discussion. There was no mean spirit displayed by either side. (the rest of this is reported by others) After the GB made their final decision on the matter by way of voting, Bro. King addressed the GB with all humility, and after his subsequent resignation, the GB gathered around him and all of them prayed for him. It was a very amicable and noble departure, not one hewn with animosity and innuendo.
There are no card burning meetings planned, and if someone even tried such a thing, they would be immediately expelled from the WPF roster as that kind of attitude and spirit is totally against what the WPF stands for. JMHO
Bishoph thank you for this insight, sincerely. It adds much needed balance to the discussions.
Hybrid Mode
