Dude....my first pastor used the "N" word and called mixed babies an abomination. He also refused to conduct mixed weddings. I sat under him until his death. His ministry was powerful and valuable to me. Would you consider me a racist?
No one is calling Obama a racist. We are saying he has poor or no judgement to have sat under that for 20 years.
It is one thing to be a typical Black leader with a victim mentality that you are hell bent on passing on to each successive generation.
It is entirely another thing to say the over the top kind of things Rev. Jeremiah has said.
He makes Jesse Jackson and Al Shaprton look like conservatives!
If this guy had just been a minister on Obama's advisory board that he was a casual acquaintance of that would be one thing.
However Obama, who claims to be the champion of "change" and a new day in America, willingly sat under the leadership of this man for over 20 years. Was married by him. Had his children baptized by him. Even one of his pastor's sermons was the inspiration for the title of one of Obama's books.
This was no mere casual acquaintance.
Associating with this large racist church was a plus for Obama as long as he was just involved in local Chicago area politics. Now that poor judgement is coming back to haunt him.
If he would not stand up to those outrageous statements by his pastor over 20 years what makes anybody think he would stand up to other wrongs as President?
Men and people are products of their experiences. Many blacks sincerely feel wronged and frustrated in a society that doesn't reflect their interests or concerns. Consider the Tuskegee Syphilis Study. This was a terrible wrong conducted as late as the late 1970's. Do you believe it was right? I'm sure you'll agree with me that it was an indefensible atrocity.
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No one is calling Obama a racist. We are saying he has poor or no judgement to have sat under that for 20 years.
Would you say I had poor or no judgment for sitting under my previous pastor for nearly 10 years?
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"For I know the plans I have for you, declares the LORD, plans for wholeness and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope." Jeremiah 29:11 (English Standard Version)
If Obama ends up losing to McCain in November, I think many of us will look back at this Jeremiah Wright thing as being the turning point that caused him to lose.
Don't you think the whole Jeremiah Wright thing and the realization that Obama has supported a racist semi-Christian organization/church will die out and become a non-issue by election time? How many other "Black" churches and "Black" preachers and politicians spew the same racist rhetoric but because of Hollywood and other media pressure and government "political correctness' we can't condemn it. It's part of our culture now. It is perpetuated and fueled by the "us vs. them" attitude of Black people as fueled by Black preachers/politicians.
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Apostolic in doctrine
Pentecostal in experience
Charismatic in practice
Non-denominational in affiliation
Inter-denominational in fellowship
Men and people are products of their experiences. Many blacks sincerely feel wronged and frustrated in a society that doesn't reflect their interests or concerns. Consider the Tuskegee Syphilis Study. This was a terrible wrong conducted as late as the late 1970's. Do you believe it was right?
Did you read my post about my High School experience in 1970's Lousiana?
Isn't there anyone in your past that still has views that are "not politically correct" but still has had a positive influence on you and others around you? This is why he stated that he could not disown that Pastor or his white Grandmother, who both have serious racial issues. I suspect that in America, they are not the only black and white people who have serious racial issues.
He can't help who his grandmother is.
He can help who he chooses to support and sit under as a pastor.
Even Oprah felt uncomfortable in that church and had to disassociate herself from it.
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Sam also known as Jim Ellis
Apostolic in doctrine
Pentecostal in experience
Charismatic in practice
Non-denominational in affiliation
Inter-denominational in fellowship
Would you have sat under a pastor for 20 years who made the statements from the pulpit that Obama's made? If so I have zero respect for you as I do anybody that would.
Not the statements your pastor made, the statements Pastor Jeremiah made.
Pastor Jeremiah voiced that he believed that God should "**** America for treating her citizens as less than human. The Tuskegee Syphilis Study is only one example of how this has been done in American history. America has to make restitution for her sins against entire people groups be they Native American, African American, or what have you. Yes....America should repent for her racial sins down through history. America should do her best to make restitution. The way to do this is debatable but acknowledging that she has committed grave sins against these people groups and suppressed them is the first step. I wouldn't have used Rev. Jeremiah's strong language...but I've heard language just as strong in relation to abortion and gay marriage. The current pastor of the church I left uses the word the word F-A-G to refer to homosexuals over the pulpit.
I think it's real telling when our pastors can use equally inflammatory remarks quite regularly and then we gasp, fan ourselves, and act like fainting women when a black pastor speaks strongly about issues of race and atrocities committed against his people.
I think some of us need to get some thicker skin. I also think we should have the guts to say that while his language was strong his conclusion has some weight to it and we as a nation need to at least say yes, we committed a terrible atrocity against them and continued to suppress them in the following generations. At one time it was illegal to teach a black man to read in some states. This was to suppress them. We did treat them as less than human.
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"For I know the plans I have for you, declares the LORD, plans for wholeness and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope." Jeremiah 29:11 (English Standard Version)
Don't you think the whole Jeremiah Wright thing and the realization that Obama has supported a racist semi-Christian organization/church will die out and become a non-issue by election time? How many other "Black" churches and "Black" preachers and politicians spew the same racist rhetoric but because of Hollywood and other media pressure and government "political correctness' we can't condemn it. It's part of our culture now. It is perpetuated and fueled by the "us vs. them" attitude of Black people as fueled by Black preachers/politicians.
I'm curious...why don't inflammatory racial remarks against Palestinians by Zionist pastors gain equal condemnation? Especially considering that many Palestinian families are good Christian people wanting to live in the land they were born, raised, and have done business in for generations. It's just a concern of mine. Do we give a free pass to racial rhetoric when spoken by white conservative leaders but act faint with disbelief if equally charged racial rhetoric is spoken by black ministers addressing concerns of black congregations?
I just find it an interesting question.
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"For I know the plans I have for you, declares the LORD, plans for wholeness and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope." Jeremiah 29:11 (English Standard Version)
Obama is a black man. He can relate to what his pastor is trying to communicate. I'm sure you could record many of our churches on any given Sunday and hear things that would make America gasp with disbelief if any of us were running for President.
Even in main line Christianity you have Zionists who advocate eliminating every Palestinian in the West Bank. That's genocide. On this very forum some have advocated executing homosexuals.
Try to "understand" instead of looking for an excuse to condemn. Wright truly believes he's people have been done wrong, have been oppressed, and are still suffering in many ways. It may be difficult...but try to see where he's coming from and judge what he says from his perspective instead of your own.
He's no more a black man than he is a white man. No excuse.
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It is one thing to be a typical Black leader with a victim mentality that you are hell bent on passing on to each successive generation.
It is entirely another thing to say the over the top kind of things Rev. Jeremiah has said.
He makes Jesse Jackson and Al Shaprton look like conservatives!
If this guy had just been a minister on Obama's advisory board that he was a casual acquaintance of that would be one thing.
However Obama, who claims to be the champion of "change" and a new day in America, willingly sat under the leadership of this man for over 20 years. Was married by him. Had his children baptized by him. Even one of his pastor's sermons was the inspiration for the title of one of Obama's books.
This was no mere casual acquaintance.
Associating with this large racist church was a plus for Obama as long as he was just involved in local Chicago area politics. Now that poor judgement is coming back to haunt him.
If he would not stand up to those outrageous statements by his pastor over 20 years what makes anybody think he would stand up to other wrongs as President?
That's what we should all be concerned about.
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I've gone and done it now! I'm on Facebook!!!
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