The UPC is going to more emphasis on holiness !!!

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by StMark

We know that Jezebel was a woman that painted up and was rebellious against God, not a man. So, she represents the female spirit of rebellion. now, that is not to say that men can be equally as evil just in a different way. The man doesn't paint up to seduce the prophet and she is under the Man yet tried to ursurp and manipulate herself.
Akon was a man and just as evil but in a different setting.

The whole point about the Jezabel thing that is ALWAYS missed is the rebelion part. Ministers in this movement preach about the look and that being the issue. That was not the intent of the issue, IMO. The issue was not what she looked like. It was more about what she was did. The seduction was not limited to her look. I feel that the look had little to do with the enticement and the rebelion. It was the attitude.

[James Griffin]

Originally Posted by LadyRev

If it weren't for the women...

Originally Posted by Encryptus

..... many men would have nothing to preach about?

Ok, that was funny.

[James Griffin]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

The whole point about the Jezabel thing that is ALWAYS missed is the rebelion part. Ministers in this movement preach about the look and that being the issue. That was not the intent of the issue, IMO. The issue was not what she looked like. It was more about what she was did. The seduction was not limited to her look. I feel that the look had little to do with the enticement and the rebelion. It was the attitude.

Would not say it is ALWAYS missed but yes it was rebellion wrapped in seduction.

Would still be interesting to know what the article said....

Furthermore IF I recall correctly the title was Princess or Prostitute and someone ASSUMED Jezebel would show up.

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by James Griffin

Would not say it is ALWAYS missed but yes it was rebellion wrapped in seduction.

Would still be interesting to know what the article said....

Furthermore IF I recall correctly the title was Princess or Prostitute and someone ASSUMED Jezebel would show up.

Correct. I have the mag just need to read the article, but I am just stating to the point of the whole Jezabel subject as a whole whether the article is about her or not.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

The whole point about the Jezabel thing that is ALWAYS missed is the rebelion part. Ministers in this movement preach about the look and that being the issue. That was not the intent of the issue, IMO. The issue was not what she looked like. It was more about what she was did. The seduction was not limited to her look. I feel that the look had little to do with the enticement and the rebelion. It was the attitude.

It always struck me that the bible speaks of her "painting" her face in the same matter-of-fact way It says she "looked out a window". And yet in conservative circles the make-up part almost always trumps the whole rebellion/seduction part.
Logic based on human nature would say that there MUST be a church somewhere that has a rule against women looking out windows......

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by StMark

NOw you see????

Renda this is why this forum gets the reputation of mocking the UPC and Pentecost in general

I would never wear the red open toed shoes myself. Just the thought of that is wrong.

StMark, given our culture I think that anything except Paul Harvey and Louis Lamore would be considered "outside the pale" when it comes to the written word or commentary. The fact that we're even speaking up is revolutionary to our culture. In the past you had to be in the ministry in order to send your brother to hell.

The Internet has brought democracy to damnation, and for some this freedom is exhilarating.

(I'm not saying that's always a good thing, I'm just saying it's a thing).

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

It always struck me that the bible speaks of her "painting" her face in the same matter-of-fact way It says she "looked out a window". And yet in conservative circles the make-up part almost always trumps the whole rebellion/seduction part.
Logic based on human nature would say that there MUST be a church somewhere that has a rule against women looking out windows......

In antiquity, a woman looking out a window was often the sign of a prostitute. I guess Amsterdam is the modern equivalent.

Judges 5:28 is sometimes seen as a double entendre of insult toward the family of Sisera. On the one hand his mother is looking for Sisera's return which will never come, and on the other hand she's getting into a position where she will have to provide her own livelihood from now on working in the "oldest profession."

Another symbol may have had to do with the Canaanite and Mesopotamian fertility goddesses. They were often depicted "in the window" usually with lattices. The religion of the Canaanites was dead or dying, and their gods are portrayed as pathetically looking for something that is already dead.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by ShofarMan

This month's Pentecostal Herald is dedicated to the topic, articles include:


A Holy Heart by Nancy Grandquist
A study in Holiness by Stanley Russell
Biblical Standards or Personal Preferences by Ron Mullins
Holy Men and Women by John Hanson
Humor Does not Justify Quenching the Spirit by Tim O'Daniel
Princess or Prostitute by Natalie Huckaby
The Sermon of His Life by Jason Cox
Don't Let the Media Press you into its Mold by W.C. Parkey
The Mixed Multitude by Darrell Johns
Whats for Dinner by Ruth Harvey

I don't have mine yet. I rarely read it, but I'll let you know about this one.

[OneAccord]

Originally Posted by El Predicador

Would you even recognize a Jezebel in your church?

Yeah, I probably would. She'd be the one sittin' with her husband, Ahab.



(Sorry, the Jezebel in the Bible is the only woman I have ever known by that name!)

[jaxfam6]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ! Would she stand out or blend in.

In Daniels defense, having seen pictures of his love and some from his myspace I would say that a Jezebel would STAND OUT in their church.
Now I have seen some others that I am not sure that is the case but with their church I believe she would.
But as stated before it would depend on someones definition of a Jezebel.