Can a person have the Holy Ghost and be demon poss - Page 5

TRFrance · #41 01-29-2009, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

Ananias was a believer.

Acts 5:3 KJV But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?

The devil filling one's heart does not necessarily denote demonic possession of the person.

The devil can fill someone's heart with an evil thought... as in the case of Ananias.

Acts 5:3 certainly doesn't prove that Ananias was demon-possessed.

Esther · #42 01-29-2009, 02:23 PM

I think the other thing we have to consider is tradition. It has been traditionally taught that this can not be. Either you had the HG or you didn't.

Aquila · #43 01-29-2009, 02:24 PM

It's my understanding is that the term "possessed" means "owned" or "being owned". When a demon spirit own's a person it can control them. When a Holy Ghost filled person commits various sins that draw and open themselves up to demonic spirits, a spirit may gain a "stronghold" in that person. From there the spirit will seek to "enfluence" the believer from this stronghold until they gain total control. This is known as "demonic oppression". During this period the Spirit of God will strive with the will of the individual for a time, and may depart entirely giving them up to the spirit, if they do not repent. Once given over, they are "possessed". The individual must repent of the sin. This weakens the spirit's stronghold and then the spirit can be removed by being cast out. If the demonic spirit isn't cast out of the person it will feverishly enfluence them to ever deeper levels of sin and debauchery as it lives it's lusts out through the individual with increasing intensity. Ultimately the individual will plummet into depths of sin that are uncharacteristic of their previous disposition as the spirit drives them full speed toward their destruction. What often follows is accidental death (as with drunken driving for example), overdose, disease (as with AIDS, cancer, or liver failure), and suicide.

A spirit's primary interest is to live out it's carnal desires through a host resulting in that hosts ultimate distruction. Once the individual dies the spirit will depart and find a new host and the process begins again. Beware, once a spirit is removed, if it returns it will bring assistance with it to maintain control of the host. Then one faces a sort of demonic "infestation" for lack of a better term. These spirits tend to be possessive regarding the individual they've gained access to and often return many times in the hopes of regaining the host.

mfblume · #44 01-29-2009, 02:25 PM

I prayed for one man to receive the Holy Ghost and he indeed did receive it. He spoke in tongues as the power of God hit him. What a time he had! Right in church at the altar. Glorious experience. And then ten minutes later he began vomiting and coughing and we drove out some evil spirits. The guy did not have a cold either,

. (Not every cough is a devil. lolol)

One man told me he witnessed the same thing in one of Wynn Drost's meetings years ago. A guy got the Holy Ghost and devils came out of him LATER that same night.

Everyone has a theory. But theory is often error. When things actually occur, theories are nullified that conflict with the experience. I cannot understand a lot of things and try my best to decipher them, but my best is only a theory which can be blown away in an instant when something actually occurs to make my theory error. However, theory will not disagree with the Bible if we find the theory to be true. And while many insist they stand on the Word, their interpretation of the Word means they actually theorize as to what the word really says. Their interpretation is error.

The Bible can be understood from what it says in itself. But that requires proper exegesis and hermeneutic in studying it. So while one explains something and offers alleged proof via scripture, it is more often their interpretation and theory of what scripture says. Actual experience backs up true interpretation of the Word.

mfblume · #45 01-29-2009, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TRFrance

The devil filling one's heart does not necessarily denote demonic possession of the person.

The devil can fill someone's heart with an evil thought... as in the case of Ananias.

Acts 5:3 certainly doesn't prove that Ananias was demon-possessed.

I agree. But the fact that satan can FILL A HEART of a Spirit-baptized believer shows that the soul of a believer does not have to be right in order fro the Spirit of God to occupy one's human spirit. God would not dare indwell anybody if the least evil thought was catered to in that person, if He acted the way some think He does. The same principle that suggests His Holy Spirit can indwell a believer who has wicked thoughts, but is greatly hindered from manifesting in such believers (which shows His Spirit is not in our thoughts, themselves) explains the issue, I believe.

Aquila · #46 01-29-2009, 02:28 PM

One way to tell possession from oppression is the person's disposition. If they are in control but struggling with the spirit's enfluence, they are oppressed. If they repeatedly and entirely fall under the spirit's control at the spirit's whim, they are possessed. This can be accompanied by a loss of consciousness or control as with blackouts, fainting, seizures, blind rage, and often the person reports a loss of memory. People are especially vulnerable when druken or under the influenc of drugs because their will-power to resist demonic any enfluence is greatly weakened.

mfblume · #47 01-29-2009, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Esther

I think the other thing we have to consider is tradition. It has been traditionally taught that this can not be. Either you had the HG or you didn't.

That is the biggest issue most everyone deals with and is affected by.

Esther · #48 01-29-2009, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TRFrance

The devil filling one's heart does not necessarily denote demonic possession of the person.

The devil can fill someone's heart with an evil thought... as in the case of Ananias.

Acts 5:3 certainly doesn't prove that Ananias was demon-possessed.

Remember we are not talking about possession.

Esther · #49 01-29-2009, 02:58 PM

I think it was Bro. Wm Bustard that said he prayed for a young lady that had the HG and before she was delivered from a spirit of fear, he asked the spirit how and when he entered her. The spirit told him that when she was a child her parents were fighting and in fear she crawl under the table and the spirit of fear entered her then.

She was delivered from the spirit of fear and without telling her family what happened they could look at her and tell something was different.

How can this be? I don't have all the answers. But again remember we are not talking about a person that is possessed by spirits but someone that is possessing a spirit.