Ferd, I partly agree and disagree with ya. I think that many in the world specifically the US have this issue. With the numbers this nation has it is apparent that there are more overweight people than healthy. I think the reason we talk about the church is that is 'our world' that we see the most. It is people that we care about and also know the most about. It is like when you see something so often you become used to it. We see the church so often that we are used to seeing them overweight.
But think about this....if you go to a General Conference and now even Youth Congress it seems that there are far more overweight people there than healthy. Keep in mind being skinnier does not always equate to being healthier.
Bro, I see that here in my office in Dallas. It certainly isn’t filled with Pentecostals.
I don’t mind a discussion about "us" in fact a healthy discussion about the fact that we ought to be talking about weight in our churches because it is an issue, is perfectly on point as far as I am concerned.
But that isn’t what is happening here. Somebody has pointed out, that Pentecostals are fat because our standards won’t let a woman go to a gym. Good grief.
Keith has done some research and discovered that Apostolic more than others are self medicating their sorrow with food.
And I am in denial because I make pretty regular trips to Wal-Mart and see very large people wearing stuff that wouldn’t clothe a church mouse. (They certainly aren’t Pentecostal.
This would be laughable if it wasn’t so sad.
PS, some of our fellow posters in this thread don’t even like the traditional Oneness Pentecostal Church even a little bit. They are just using this as a convenient chance to take a pot shot.
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I’m 5th gen too. My momma is 65 and if she weighs 115 lbs I would be shocked.
if you want to supply a scientific study that looks at the American population, adjusts for income level (because income has a direct correlation to weight) and compare that to UPCI churches, then lets talk.
Until then you are basing this on antidotal evidence and as one man once said, antidotal evidence is no evidence at all.
I posted a picture, I think in one sense in a small way represents what we are discussing. Is it the whole picture no, but I think it to represent what is an issue that needs addressing. It has nothing to do with standards, etc.
It is a relationship issue, plain and simple with self, others and God.
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Bro, I see that here in my office in Dallas. It certainly isn’t filled with Pentecostals.
I don’t mind a discussion about "us" in fact a healthy discussion about the fact that we ought to be talking about weight in our churches because it is an issue, is perfectly on point as far as I am concerned.
But that isn’t what is happening here. Somebody has pointed out, that Pentecostals are fat because our standards won’t let a woman go to a gym. Good grief.
Keith has done some research and discovered that Apostolic more than others are self medicating their sorrow with food.
And I am in denial because I make pretty regular trips to Wal-Mart and see very large people wearing stuff that wouldn’t clothe a church mouse. (They certainly aren’t Pentecostal.
This would be laughable if it wasn’t so sad.
PS, some of our fellow posters in this thread don’t even like the traditional Oneness Pentecostal Church even a little bit. They are just using this as a convenient chance to take a pot shot.
Ferd, I am a Oneness Pentecostal. Stupid arguement, by someone who I believe to be angry!
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Sorry Keith but when I see people using what ever they can to bash the UPCI without regard to even basic reality it gets me a bit botherd.
I am not saying you did that. In fact, I would never say that about you personally. We dont agree on that point, but I know you well enough to know you wouldnt do that.
Not everybody in this thread has that same respect.
I do think you are off on the notion that our problem is different than the greater culture.
It is an AMERICAN CULTURAL issue.
We do agree that we ought to be talking about it, we ought to be dealing with it, we ought to better than the American Culture.
We ought to be working to heal our people who have addiction issues.
Without question I believe all of that. But lets not go down the UPCI IS MAKING ME FAT road. That is a lie.
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Bro, I see that here in my office in Dallas. It certainly isn’t filled with Pentecostals.
I don’t mind a discussion about "us" in fact a healthy discussion about the fact that we ought to be talking about weight in our churches because it is an issue, is perfectly on point as far as I am concerned.
But that isn’t what is happening here. Somebody has pointed out, that Pentecostals are fat because our standards won’t let a woman go to a gym. Good grief.
Keith has done some research and discovered that Apostolic more than others are self medicating their sorrow with food.
And I am in denial because I make pretty regular trips to Wal-Mart and see very large people wearing stuff that wouldn’t clothe a church mouse. (They certainly aren’t Pentecostal.
This would be laughable if it wasn’t so sad.
PS, some of our fellow posters in this thread don’t even like the traditional Oneness Pentecostal Church even a little bit. They are just using this as a convenient chance to take a pot shot.
Remember the difference between the nominal overweight person in Walmart is that we have resources to overcome addiction. They don't, they are lost powerless captives to their moods, we have the answer, Jesus!
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Sorry Keith but when I see people using what ever they can to bash the UPCI without regard to even basic reality it gets me a bit botherd.
I am not saying you did that. In fact, I would never say that about you personally. We dont agree on that point, but I know you well enough to know you wouldnt do that.
Not everybody in this thread has that same respect.
I do think you are off on the notion that our problem is different than the greater culture.
It is an AMERICAN CULTURAL issue.
We do agree that we ought to be talking about it, we ought to be dealing with it, we ought to better than the American Culture.
We ought to be working to heal our people who have addiction issues.
Without question I believe all of that. But lets not go down the UPCI IS MAKING ME FAT road. That is a lie.
That is why I never mentioned the UPCI, I am discussing OP's.
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Ferd, I am a Oneness Pentecostal. Stupid arguement, by someone who I believe to be angry!
I just said it, but let me say it again, I dont believe you are one of those who dont like us. You are certainly OP, and Ive posted with you long enough to know your spirit and as I said at the outset, we are generally either on the same page or pretty close.
Bro, I aint mad at you! LOL!
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Remember the difference between the nominal overweight person in Walmart is that we have resources to overcome addiction. They don't, they are lost powerless captives to their moods, we have the answer, Jesus!
hey I am all for that! I believe that! and I think we ought to be talking about that!
it is a great point.
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I totally agree with ferd. If you go to walmart, a concert , or anyplace the ratio of fat to thin people is really the same. I dont understand why people are trying to place this stigma on the upc alone.
Maybe they are ashamed of thier fat bros and sis. I dunno.
I have never heard any upc churches around this area preach against fitness. I know some of them have there own gyms. A man from our church owns two gyms in town,our pastor used to manage them for him. I know alot of UPCers who encourage fitness.
Alot of these men and women that are frowned on for being overweight are mighty servants of GOD . They spend there free time praying for others , trying to reach the lost and all the other duties that come with bieng a servant. That leaves little time for personal fitness and some people no matter how well they eat will be overwieght if they dont exercise. These people are so selfless they neglect themselves to serve others.
And as far as the overwieght wife with the bad hair do that you speak of. She probably spends her day cleaning house, raising kids, cooking dinner, serving GOD and who know's what else. So maybe you can let her slide by your high standard. btw my wife is still amazing!! but I can see how a woman could get bogged down and not have time to look like a model.
I'm fat, but not because Im upc. its because I have elected to spend my limited free time in leisure. We started W/W's Two weeks ago & Ive lost ten pounds to date. I feel alot better with that small change and it probably is Gods Will for me to be healthy. Thats what I am working toward health not VANITY. Which seems to be your issue since you pointed out the unattactive wife. Either way my physical condition falls on my shoulders. You hear about it on the news all the time its an american lifestyle. To point it out in the UPC and say it only exsist there is false and unfair.
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