Will those that leave standards be lost?

[Barb]

I know many people who for what ever reasons no longer adhere to the same princples of hair and dress and such as myself.

I know of NONE who have left standards...as in they are standardless...

All who go by the Name of the Lord have standards that we live by...

Originally Posted by Ronzo

I'm not in the UPC and I agree wholeheartedly.


Picking scabs isn't the way to keep a conversation going.

Brother,

I thought you were Bro. J's Church?

Originally Posted by Steadfast

Brother,

I thought you were Bro. J's Church?

Doesn't make any difference whose church he attends. Didn't you know? Haven't you heard? The manual only applies to the licensed ministry and saints aren't really members of the UPC.

[ManOfWord]

Originally Posted by Garfield

Doesn't make any difference whose church he attends. Didn't you know? Haven't you heard? The manual only applies to the licensed ministry and saints aren't really members of the UPC.

So then, what's your point? What are you trying to define? C'mon, out with it!

[freeatlast]

Originally Posted by Charlie Brown

After having read through a few threads, I think I will stir the pot and ask this question.

STANDARDS; Are they really heaven or hell issues?

I'll ask a differnent question than the thread title

Will those that IMPOSE standards be lost?

One preacher said he'd prefer to error on the side of saftey. He said if I can get to heaven with a wedding ring on, well surely i can make iit in without one.

NO ! If you impose FASE doctrine on people as a test of salvation or fellowship and you are wrong on your interpretation, you have imposed hair-esy and you will answer for that.

Those who insisted on putting a yoke on new christians (circumsicion for example) Paul told they were wrongf in this. If Judaizers persited in enforcing their "standards" do you think God was going to just give a free pass.

People will be lost over standards YES ! mainly those that impose false ones.

JMHO

Originally Posted by freeatlast

I'll ask a differnent question than the thread title

Will those that IMPOSE standards be lost?

One preacher said he'd prefer to error on the side of saftey. He said if I can get to heaven with a wedding ring on, well surely i can make iit in without one.

NO ! If you impose FASE doctrine on people as a test of salvation or fellowship and you are wrong on your interpretation, you have imposed hair-esy and you will answer for that.

Those who insisted on putting a yoke on new christians (circumsicion for example) Paul told they were wrongf in this. If Judaizers persited in enforcing their "standards" do you think God was going to just give a free pass.

People will be lost over standards YES ! mainly those that impose false ones.

JMHO

So preaching against a wedding ring is hersy, false doctrine and a yoke. Thanks for that little tidbit.

[ManOfWord]

Originally Posted by freeatlast

I'll ask a differnent question than the thread title

Will those that IMPOSE standards be lost?

One preacher said he'd prefer to error on the side of saftey. He said if I can get to heaven with a wedding ring on, well surely i can make iit in without one.

NO ! If you impose FASE doctrine on people as a test of salvation or fellowship and you are wrong on your interpretation, you have imposed hair-esy and you will answer for that.

Those who insisted on putting a yoke on new christians (circumsicion for example) Paul told they were wrongf in this. If Judaizers persited in enforcing their "standards" do you think God was going to just give a free pass.

People will be lost over standards YES ! mainly those that impose false ones.

JMHO

Telling people that there are things that are good and that there are things that are harmful is the responsibility of the under-shepherd. However, attaching a soteriologic significance to something that God does not, IMO, is heretical. Anyone who messes with what God requires, I believe, will face a harsh judgement. I have no problem with folks who follow their personal convictions. But when those convictions become a requirement for salvation, then we have a problem!

Tell me that you do whatever it is that you do because you feel that it is the right thing to do. But don't tell me that I'm lost unless I do it YOUR way! The LAST thing I want to do is to require more from folks than God does for their salvation. I'm fairly fearless and a "pioneer" type, but I ain't treadin' on that ground.

As we judge, we shall be judged. I want mercy! I need mercy! I had better extend mercy!

[freeatlast]

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

Telling people that there are things that are good and that there are things that are harmful is the responsibility of the under-shepherd. However, attaching a soteriologic significance to something that God does not, IMO, is heretical. Anyone who messes with what God requires, I believe, will face a harsh judgement. I have no problem with folks who follow their personal convictions. But when those convictions become a requirement for salvation, then we have a problem!

Tell me that you do whatever it is that you do because you feel that it is the right thing to do. But don't tell me that I'm lost unless I do it YOUR way! The LAST thing I want to do is to require more from folks than God does for their salvation. I'm fairly fearless and a "pioneer" type, but I ain't treadin' on that ground.

As we judge, we shall be judged. I want mercy! I need mercy! I had better extend mercy!

EggZactly MOW..that's what I'm talking about.

Some folks feel they can require all manner of "standards" an declare that God is goona get you if you don't comply.

That same preacher has never thought it out that if he is with all his great education he recieved at Bible School is wrong on these imposed issues that he will be the one trembling before the throne on judgment day NOT the gal who wears pj's with legs to bed.

[RevDWW]

I've heard it put this way by a man far my better: Standards are not the bridge to salvation, The Gospel message summed up in Acts 2:38 is. But standards can make good guard rails. [Weaver Paraphrase]

[ManOfWord]

Originally Posted by RevDWW

I've heard it put this way by a man far my better: Standards are not the bridge to salvation, The Gospel message summed up in Acts 2:38 is. But standards can make good guard rails. [Weaver Paraphrase]

I can deal with that. It makes good sense. Some people are careless behind the wheel and need guard rails. Others are better drivers and can stay on the road without them. The important part is staying on the road and making it to the destination.