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03-30-2010, 04:25 PM
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Re: ** Developing: Affirmation of affirmation? *
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Originally Posted by Sam
Two UPC ministers that I have spoken to in the past year.
One is a young man and has a home missions church meeting in his home. I saw him several months ago when I was having lunch with an ex UPC and an ex ALJC minister and someone asked him if he was still in the UPC. He rubbed his beard and said that he wouldn't be after January. Well, he has since shaved off the beard but recently joined GNCM. He said it was costing him $1000 a year to remain in the UPC and received nothing from them. He recently told me I'd be surprised if I knew who else was considering GNCM. I didn't ask him to give me any names.
Evidently, GNCM is sorta coming to life under new leadership.
Another is an older man. He has been senior pastor at a church for quite a few years and recently they "relaxed" the standards. I saw him a few months ago and asked him if he was still UPC. He said he was but wasn't sure how much longer they would let him stay. I guess he crosses some stuff out when he signs the AS
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I just checked the UPC online and both of these men are still listed as UPC pastors.
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03-30-2010, 04:38 PM
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Re: ** Developing: Affirmation of affirmation? *
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Originally Posted by Sam
Two UPC ministers that I have spoken to in the past year.
One is a young man and has a home missions church meeting in his home. I saw him several months ago when I was having lunch with an ex UPC and an ex ALJC minister and someone asked him if he was still in the UPC. He rubbed his beard and said that he wouldn't be after January. Well, he has since shaved off the beard but recently joined GNCM. He said it was costing him $1000 a year to remain in the UPC and received nothing from them. He recently told me I'd be surprised if I knew who else was considering GNCM. I didn't ask him to give me any names.
Evidently, GNCM is sorta coming to life under new leadership.
Another is an older man. He has been senior pastor at a church for quite a few years and recently they "relaxed" the standards. I saw him a few months ago and asked him if he was still UPC. He said he was but wasn't sure how much longer they would let him stay. I guess he crosses some stuff out when he signs the AS
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That's another reason why there are less and less licensed ministers, the cost
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03-30-2010, 04:43 PM
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Jesus' Name Pentecostal
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Re: ** Developing: Affirmation of affirmation? *
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Originally Posted by CAD/JPY
What is GNCM?
I don't know of any person who crosses out words on the affirmation statement, writes in Bible, submits it... AND is still allowed to stay in fellowship. If you do, please have them post their experience...
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GNCM stands for Global Network of Christian Ministries.
Their web site is
http://globalministriesonline.com/
As far as I know, neither of the ministers I've mentioned are part of this forum.
One has told me that he now has a GNCM license on his wall. I assume he dropped out of the UPC by not paying his dues.
I don't know if the other is still part of the UPC or not. I have not talked to him since some time last year.
I don't know if this is the year for them to sign the affirmation statement or not.
I will not give their names. You'll just have to trust me on this.
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03-30-2010, 04:46 PM
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Jesus' Name Pentecostal
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Re: ** Developing: Affirmation of affirmation? *
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
That's another reason why there are less and less licensed ministers, the cost
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It is my understanding that in Ohio a local church can ordain/license ministers and they are recognized by the state. So if the reason for license was legal recognition a person would not have to belong to a large organization like the UPC. Belonging to a large organization might give him/her greater opportunity for ministry and recognition over a larger area.
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03-30-2010, 08:26 PM
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Re: ** Developing: Affirmation of affirmation? *
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Originally Posted by Sam
Two UPC ministers that I have spoken to in the past year.
One is a young man and has a home missions church meeting in his home. I saw him several months ago when I was having lunch with an ex UPC and an ex ALJC minister and someone asked him if he was still in the UPC. He rubbed his beard and said that he wouldn't be after January. Well, he has since shaved off the beard but recently joined GNCM. He said it was costing him $1000 a year to remain in the UPC and received nothing from them. He recently told me I'd be surprised if I knew who else was considering GNCM. I didn't ask him to give me any names.
Evidently, GNCM is sorta coming to life under new leadership.
Another is an older man. He has been senior pastor at a church for quite a few years and recently they "relaxed" the standards. I saw him a few months ago and asked him if he was still UPC. He said he was but wasn't sure how much longer they would let him stay. I guess he crosses some stuff out when he signs the AS
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I lol'd!!!
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03-30-2010, 09:16 PM
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Scripture > Tradition
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Re: ** Developing: Affirmation of affirmation? *
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Originally Posted by CAD/JPY
What is GNCM?
I don't know of any person who crosses out words on the affirmation statement, writes in Bible, submits it... AND is still allowed to stay in fellowship. If you do, please have them post their experience...
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One of my uncle pastors staples the Affirmation Statement to a protest letter every time he signs it. Several other pastors send similar letters. They havent pulled his license and he's been licensed in his district for 40 years. He goes to elder Bro. Kilgore as his personal mentor and several other old lions like that.
Theres a ton of pastors that cross out stuff and mess with the letter. In the end they just want the signature and to stop bleeding out developed churches in cities. If you look at a years worth of Forward magazines you will see a flow of experienced pastors out the back door and a desperate struggle to setup home missions works to make up for it.
Seriously... how many established independent oneness with 100+ members and trinitarian churches who "see the light" are beating down the door to join the UPC? The answer is a small handful a year in contrast to dozens upon dozens who leave.
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03-30-2010, 10:02 PM
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Saved & Shaved
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Re: ** Developing: Affirmation of affirmation? *
Crossing out stuff... attachments... etc... if the district accepts it, is it not a binding contract?
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03-30-2010, 10:06 PM
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Silent No More
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Re: ** Developing: Affirmation of affirmation? *
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Originally Posted by Berkley
Crossing out stuff... attachments... etc... if the district accepts it, is it not a binding contract?
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Binding contract no, but definitely an issue of honor.
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03-30-2010, 10:09 PM
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Saved & Shaved
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Re: ** Developing: Affirmation of affirmation? *
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Originally Posted by El Predicador
Binding contract no, but definitely an issue of honor. |
My bad... 
What I'm getting at is, if the district accepts the AS with lines crossed out and attachments, I wouldn't question the honor and integrity of the pastor that signed it.
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03-30-2010, 10:18 PM
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Silent No More
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Re: ** Developing: Affirmation of affirmation? *
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Originally Posted by Berkley
My bad...
What I'm getting at is, if the district accepts the AS with lines crossed out and attachments, I wouldn't question the honor and integrity of the pastor that signed it. |
IF that were the situation, which I seriously doubt (at least as to the crossed out items) then yes there would be no prevarication per se, but still less than honorable.
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