Was it necessary to repeal DADT?

[Arphaxad]

Originally Posted by Sam

Won't that have to be repealed if gay marriage is recognized in the Military?

and

who decided that was "unnatural"?

When I was in training to be an infantry officer, we were taught that anything except intercourse between a man and woman was unlawful, according to the UCMJ, and if she wasn't your wife it could be construed as "conduct unbecoming an officer."

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by mfblume

I'd want to know if I was a fellow military person who is going to use showers and changing rooms where a homosexual would be. I would not want to be there! Sorry.

These comments about showers in the military concerning the DADT policy are beyond idiotic. Unbelievable. You buncha homophobes. Man up and be comfortable and confident in your own skin and quit worrying about everyone else. What the heck are we gonna do now, go scan every flippin' public shower in the United States of America and make sure there are no gays in sight? Good grief.

[canam]

Smithy will feel a lot more comfortable now DA DT has been passed ! Im happy for him ! Actually i think us straights outta insist that since gay men are going to be allowed to shower with us guys, that women should be required to ! We have rights too ya know !

[houston]

Anything you'd like to confess, Smith? like six months in county?

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by canam

Smithy will feel a lot more comfortable now DA DT has been passed ! Im happy for him ! Actually i think us straights outta insist that since gay men are going to be allowed to shower with us guys, that women should be required to ! We have rights too ya know !

And why is that? Go ahead, say it.

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by houston

Anything you'd like to confess, Smith?

Nothing comes to mind. You? Whatever would you be insinuating? Why don't you just come right out and say it?

[houston]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

These comments about showers in the military concerning the DADT policy are beyond idiotic. Unbelievable. You buncha homophobes. Man up and be comfortable and confident in your own skin and quit worrying about everyone else. What the heck are we gonna do now, go scan every flippin' public shower in the United States of America and make sure there are no gays in sight? Good grief.

With all due respect, I find this post beyond idiotic. Not everyone is homophobic, though there may be a higher percentage of homophobes in christianity than in the "world." The concern that homosexuals are going to be checking out "breeders" is valid. The argument that gays seek out only their own kind has less validity. How many homosexuals are you familiar with? I have encountered a few. Through their own admission, they'd like to turn "breeders" out, help them discover their real GAY selves. It's another trophy on the shelf. The military is full of young men. Young, dumb, and... when caught in the moment many wouldn't care where they got their release. Think a homosexual wouldn't take the opportunity? For the record, I showered with men after p.t. It wasn't akward. Most guys probably don't give it a second thought.

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by houston

With all due respect, I find this post beyond idiotic. Not everyone is homophobic, though there may be a higher percentage of homophobes in christianity than in the "world." The concern that homosexuals are going to be checking out "breeders" is valid. The argument that gays seek out only their own kind has less validity. How many homosexuals are you familiar with? I have encountered a few. Through their own admission, they'd like to turn "breeders" out, help them discover their real GAY selves. It's another trophy on the shelf. The military is full of young men. Young, dumb, and... when caught in the moment many wouldn't care where they got their release. Think a homosexual wouldn't take the opportunity? For the record, I showered with men after p.t. It wasn't akward. Most guys probably don't give it a second thought.

Sorry, I've already used the "Beyond idiotic" line so you'll have to think of something original, if you're able and from what you've written here, that may not be possible.

I really have absolutely zero concern about breeders, trophies, shelves, or showers. I'm comfortable with who I am and if a gay man were to make an advance toward me (and I've had it happen), I would politely refuse and move on. Personally, I have no fear about that situation and I'm very secure in who and what I am.

Again, what is so different about a military shower and a workout gym shower? If we're going to clear military showers from anyone who is gay, we need to do the same with public schools, gyms, racquetball clubs, and any other shower in the world. If that is "beyond idiotic", then Houston, we would have a problem and YOU would be well beyond idiotic.

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by houston

Ok. If you're gay or straight doesn't matter to me, aside from the eternal ramifications. Your posts seem pro gay agenda and people here are under the impression that you are a practicing homosexual or struggling with your sexuality. There. I said it. For all we know, you could be more straight than an arrow... Whatever the truth is, again, doesn't matter to me. I wouldn't think any more, or less of you. I wish this wasn't addressed on a holiday. But I think you wanted a real answer. *sigh* Merry Christmas.

Then stop insinuating I'm gay and just come right out and say it. I get SO flippin' sick of that on this forum. Some of you people have the intellectual power of a gnat and your only comeback to any kind of logic on the subject of homosexuality is some neanderthal 5th grade rhetoric, of, "Oooh, you just be gay, neener, neener!!" Please. When you throw that _____ at someone, you have removed all possibility of any productive dialogue because now, all I can say is, "No, I'm not!" which would be meaningless because you've already greatly advanced toward that conclusion.

The reality is, I'm attempting to think clearly in a way that doesn't put anyone...any single human being....in a position of experiencing majority bigotry and I'll fight for the basic human rights of anyone, even if it means intellectual gnats like you yelling, "Homo" at me. I'm VERY comfortable with my sexuality and couldn't possibly care less what your stupid conclusions are.

I've had my share of moral challenges and believe me, none of them were with another man.

[Mr. Smith]

You deleted your post, but too late, I caught it. You said:

"Your posts seem pro gay agenda and people here are under the impression that you are a practicing homosexual or struggling with your sexuality."

Houston, if you need to label everyone "Gay" who defends the basic human rights of another person, then you are a complete moron. Sorry.

Yes, it's a holiday. Merry Bigoted Christmas to you!