Baptism: Essential or Not - Page 5

Socialite · #1 01-19-2011, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by CC1

I think 3 steppers look at one steppers as believing baptism is unnecessary while in reality most one steppers view baptism as something very important but something that is a sacrament every believe should want to do as part of following Christ, not something they do as a requirement of salvation.

My one step pastor has preached the importance, beauty, and significance of taking on Christ in water baptism as a symbol of being buried with him, identified with him, etc.

And the difference in views is one of Gospel importance IMO.

One sees salvation as the work God does, the other as the work we do together.

ForeverBlessed · #2 01-19-2011, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by CC1

I think 3 steppers look at one steppers as believing baptism is unnecessary while in reality most one steppers view baptism as something very important but something that is a sacrament every believe should want to do as part of following Christ, not something they do as a requirement of salvation.

My one step pastor has preached the importance, beauty, and significance of taking on Christ in water baptism as a symbol of being buried with him, identified with him, etc.

and CC, the key there is, it is the symbol of being buried w/Him.

I will never forget thru personal study of the scriptures that I understood that water baptism is not what saves, but is symbolism of what already took place in the heart....circumcision of the heart by the Spirit.

Several posts here that I would "LIKE" if there was such a button. lol

Hoovie · #3 01-19-2011, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ForeverBlessed

and CC, the key there is, it is the symbol of being buried w/Him.

I will never forget thru personal study of the scriptures that I understood that water baptism is not what saves, but is symbolism of what already took place in the heart....circumcision of the heart by the Spirit.

Several posts here that I would "LIKE" if there was such a button. lol

Face lol illness. We watched the Social Network last night and K said it makes her like FB less... Bet she won't post less though!

ForeverBlessed · #4 01-19-2011, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoovie

Face lol illness. We watched the Social Network last night and K said it makes her like FB less... Bet she won't post less though!

lol I hope she doesn't, I love her sense of humor and love to read her posts.

Justin · #5 01-19-2011, 07:47 AM

Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

I'm not sure why anyone would be against baptism...?

rgcraig · #6 01-19-2011, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Justin

Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

I'm not sure why anyone would be against baptism...?

Again, I don't believe anyone here is against baptism.

Michael The Disciple · #7 01-19-2011, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Justin

Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

I'm not sure why anyone would be against baptism...?

They are not against baptism that they have created. The one that is merely a symbol. The one that is merely a outward testimony of an inward work.

The one that bothers them so much is the one Jesus spoke of and the Apostles.

You know the one that Jesus said we must do to be saved. The one Paul said was for burying the old man. The one Peter said was for the remission of sins.

THAT baptism is the one they oppose. That happens when we take our eyes off the scriptures and listen to to much Protestant/Evangelical teaching.

Socialite · #8 01-19-2011, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Justin

Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

I'm not sure why anyone would be against baptism...?

No one is.

deacon blues · #9 01-19-2011, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Socialite

I appreciate your spirit. However, I can't honestly say the same as right here in the bolded.

I understand. I was fortunate to be male, had parents that were reasonable (I was allowed to play sports, be involved in extra-curricular activities, sing in the school choir, act in school plays), our church did not preach against tv, and my pastor did not preach hard standards. The ladies would get a Bible study about once a year in a "women's only" closed door session on the dos and donts. It was also just a part of the church culture. We all knew what the standards were. Our church was considered a liberal church although still pretty staunch on the hair/make up/pants/jewelry stuff.

I know a lot of folks who had terribly negative experiences. I witnessed people being treated wrongly at various points and times. I personally had very few traumatic events. Again, mostly positive.

Socialite · #10 01-19-2011, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by deacon blues

I understand. I was fortunate to be male, had parents that were reasonable (I was allowed to play sports, be involved in extra-curricular activities, sing in the school choir, act in school plays), our church did not preach against tv, and my pastor did not preach hard standards. The ladies would get a Bible study about once a year in a "women's only" closed door session on the dos and donts. It was also just a part of the church culture. We all knew what the standards were. Our church was considered a liberal church although still pretty staunch on the hair/make up/pants/jewelry stuff.

I know a lot of folks who had terribly negative experiences. I witnessed people being treated wrongly at various points and times. I personally had very few traumatic events. Again, mostly positive.

A blessed experience for you, indeed.

From what you wrote, your church was definitely more on the "liberal" side which is maybe helped your experience a bit. I was on the polar extreme of your experience.