Tongues and Interpretation?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by crakjak

You mistook my words: I did not suggest that you don't know God, nor do I think that you don't. Nor did I say that churches that have the gifts in operation are shallow, nor do I think that.

Don't blame me. I did not mistook anything, you mis-spoke. That is exactly what your posts implied. Maybe you did not think that was your intention but that is exactly what your posts imply

I said that to know God you must have both a emotional and an intellectual knowledge of Him.

that is NOT what you said. You said to ME that I will never know God. And besides I never once suggested we don't need an emotional anything with God. You always do that when this topic comes up,twist my words.

Jesus is the Word, therefore a good working knowledge of scripture is required, but a solid emotional response to scripture is also required to know God. The Word will "kill" the unbalanced scholar, just as we have recently seen in the "Rev" Camping, and we can see the emotionally imbalanced on TBN and the like quite regularly.

that has absolutely NOTHING to do with what I've been saying and what we've been discussing

As to the gifts, I was decrying the MISUSE of the gifts of T&I, I'm not sure you really disagree with these points?

No you were not!

Here is what you said, nothing about misuse

Much of the desire for T&I comes when the ministry is majoring in the minors, and not presenting deep spiritual and practical truths. The folks get restless and hungry for what God desires.

So churches that desire T&I do so because the ministry is shallow.

While Im on it, let me quote your other tidbits

"I believe this deep longing came because of a lack of deep expository preaching that satisfies the spiritually hunger of believer"

And then here is what you said to me, first of all implying that all I know is a scientific understanding of scriptures (not true) and that I don't know God

I can speak the truth form experience and understanding, without quoting scripture. If all you know is a scientific understanding of the scripture, you will never "know" God.

And while I take exception to your accusation that all I know is a scientific understanding of scriptures and that I don't know God, I have to disagree that you can speak the truth from experience and understanding without quoting scriptures. The bible is our foundation. Protestants left the Roman system years ago because the thought they could speak the truth apart from scriptures or have some knowledge externally from scriptures. If you are going to judge or declare a truth, it better be backed up by God, the God of the bible

You may have attacked my presentation because you love argumentation, I think???

Another personal accusation? CJ did I misread this too?

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Don't blame me. I did not mistook anything, you mis-spoke. That is exactly what your posts implied. Maybe you did not think that was your intention but that is exactly what your posts imply


that is NOT what you said. You said to ME that I will never know God. And besides I never once suggested we don't need an emotional anything with God. You always do that when this topic comes up,twist my words.


that has absolutely NOTHING to do with what I've been saying and what we've been discussing


No you were not!

Here is what you said, nothing about misuse


So churches that desire T&I do so because the ministry is shallow.

While Im on it, let me quote your other tidbits



And then here is what you said to me, first of all implying that all I know is a scientific understanding of scriptures (not true) and that I don't know God



And while I take exception to your accusation that all I know is a scientific understanding of scriptures and that I don't know God, I have to disagree that you can speak the truth from experience and understanding without quoting scriptures. The bible is our foundation. Protestants left the Roman system years ago because the thought they could speak the truth apart from scriptures or have some knowledge externally from scriptures. If you are going to judge or declare a truth, it better be backed up by God, the God of the bible


Another personal accusation? CJ did I misread this too?

My posts speak for themselves, I will not tit for tat with you. You can twist others words ever so expertly, but you miss the point by miles, discussion with you is impossible.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by crakjak

My posts speak for themselves.

Yes and I've been quoting them and responding. Now, rather than blame me for misunderstanding perhaps you see now that I quoted you verbatim you can humble yourself for a change and see that you were wrong

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

verbatim you can humble yourself for a change and see that you were wrong

maybe one day we can get that from you as well

[Praxeas]

Ive admitted many times that what I posted was worded wrong rather than blame the other guys. This isn't me telling him to admit his doctrine is false if that is what you thought

The guy actually said what he said, I quoted him. You can read it yourself Acerrak rather than being a smart mouth.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by acerrak

maybe one day we can get that from you as well

Or you? I love this. This guy is no different than anyone else. He comes in discussions with personal comments and when you reciprocate back he whines about your character and not his own rofl

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Or you? I love this. This guy is no different than anyone else. He comes in discussions with personal comments and when you reciprocate back he whines about your character and not his own rofl

have i not apologized to you in the past? if so humble your self and admit your wrong

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by acerrak

have i not apologized to you in the past? if so humble your self and admit your wrong

I can't recall you ever apologizing but if so it's rather empty when you re-start the same junk over and over. You come off like you are innocent then you become belligerent and then you act like you did nothing wrong. Typical

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I can't recall you ever apologizing but if so it's rather empty when you re-start the same junk over and over. You come off like you are innocent then you become belligerent and then you act like you did nothing wrong. Typical

no sir i didnt say i was innocent, and yes i have apologized in the past to you when i was wrong,(and its on these forums) however i have never once recieved a apology from you and there is also other people here who should have gotten a apology from you but never recieve one.

so im just pointing out your asking some one to humble themselves when you dont do it. sorta hypocritical

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by acerrak

no sir i didnt say i was innocent, and yes i have apologized in the past to you when i was wrong,(and its on these forums) however i have never once recieved a apology from you and there is also other people here who should have gotten a apology from you but never recieve one.

so im just pointing out your asking some one to humble themselves when you dont do it. sorta hypocritical

Accerak, if you want to start it again with me all over again just know I can reciprocate. Let me point out that this was between me and CJ and you were the one that started it off again with me. Not me with you.

That is my point, consistently you start it off with me then you start whining when I reciprocate.

And if you've ever apologized that I can think of it was after you started with me, again, and I pointed out that it was YOU that started with the personal comments not me.

Lastly Im, not asking CJ for an apology; Im asking him to admit it was the way he worded his post that was the problem.