Miracle at Impact Conference

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

Another example of how error in interpretation leads to error in practice.

What do you think Jesus meant?

[staysharp]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Technically... the failure of a nurse to find a pulse is not the same as a person being "dead." The nurse just couldn't find a pulse. This IS cause to be concerned... even alarmed, obviously. But "dead?" Not necessarily.

http://news.myjoyonline.com/lightern...1107/70172.asp

I wasn't there and have no idea what happened. But, knowing JA - he may well of over-exerted himself while preaching to the point of pushing his aging body to its natural limits. Lots of preachers have died in the pulpit. Some have even been killed while ministering from the pulpit.

if its a faint pulse, it would be difficult to find under the best of circumstances, much less with a church full of people screaming...btw, the first impulse of nurses would be to give cpr if they thought he was dead.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

What do you think Jesus meant?

Let's start by saying he did NOT mean superseding the raising of the dead after three days...

[kclee4jc]

Originally Posted by Sam

now, that's tragic that because the miracle happened when Baptists prayed that the Pentecostals cannot accept it.

A lot of people on this forum really throw out a lot of foolish and untrue accusations. I don't know one single Pentecostal that would denie a miracle because of someone's denominational affiliation. We understand that God honors faith wherever it is. I have seen many miracles in denominational churches before i came to Apostolic doctrine. The first miracle i saw was when i was 11 years old and prayed for a girl's broken finger and God healed it. It was through that healing that God showed me that all of the signs in Mark 16:17-18 were real...including speaking in tongues. It was that healing and that scripture that led me to receive the baptism in the Holy Ghost before i ever stepped foot in a Pentecostal church. God honors faith! We know, understand, and believe that!

[staysharp]

Originally Posted by CC1

It is wonderful that God touched him and he recovered from whatever happened. I just wonder why Pentecostal folks are so enamored with the supernatural that they seem to always make situations the extreme of what it could possibly be.

It is a great story of God's touch with it just being that he was unconscious and was healed. That is not good enough for a lot of people though and by the time this gets told a few times it will be a four doctors, ten nurses, an undertaker, and EMT crew all declaring him dead for an hour.

In any case I am glad he is fine.

Well I heard he was white as a sheet and then purple as a plumb...he was dead two minutes, then 15 minutes, etc. It really doesn't matter, people believe what they want to believe and even see what they want to see.
If they think he was dead, he was dead.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

What do you think Jesus meant?

I believe the "greater works" he referenced was the spreading and reception of the gospel to all people. Even the Gentile "dogs" were made fellow believers and received the same hope of eternal life as the chosen people. That's not to say this occurred without miracles and healing demonstration. God often has used those things to accomplish the most vital, and greater objective of spreading the good news of salvation.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by staysharp

Well I heard he was white as a sheet and then purple as a plumb...he was dead two minutes, then 15 minutes, etc. It really doesn't matter, people believe what they want to believe and even see what they want to see.
If they think he was dead, he was dead.

He probably closely resembled the quantum state of being both dead AND alive at the same time for all those who could not see him.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by kclee4jc

A lot of people on this forum really throw out a lot of foolish and untrue accusations. I don't know one single Pentecostal that would denie a miracle because of someone's denominational affiliation. We understand that God honors faith wherever it is. I have seen many miracles in denominational churches before i came to Apostolic doctrine. The first miracle i saw was when i was 11 years old and prayed for a girl's broken finger and God healed it. It was through that healing that God showed me that all of the signs in Mark 16:17-18 were real...including speaking in tongues. It was that healing and that scripture that led me to receive the baptism in the Holy Ghost before i ever stepped foot in a Pentecostal church. God honors faith! We know, understand, and believe that!

Things must have seriously changed in the past couple of decades because I know many (most) UPC'ers at the time we were going attributed just about any miracle outside of the org as a trick of the devil.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Things must have seriously changed in the past couple of decades because I know many (most) UPC'ers at the time we were going attributed just about any miracle outside of the org as a trick of the devil.

I think things have changed in that regard Randy. Now, they may well view the miracle as something being done to "bring them into the full truth". But I don't think they deny God is working outside their denomination.

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Things must have seriously changed in the past couple of decades because I know many (most) UPC'ers at the time we were going attributed just about any miracle outside of the org as a trick of the devil.

yep i have even heard a apostolic preacher say that any tounges outside of the realm of apostolic pentacostalism is of the devil.


also heard another say they went to a methodist church, were there was a move of God and they stated it was not right, cause it wasnt apostolic.

people still forget the out pouring came through a bunch of trinities all across diferent denominations and beliefs and out of that was birthed Oneness pentacostalism