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Old 08-27-2011, 10:20 PM
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What about choir robes, are those men's or woman's?

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Deut 22: 5 technically was speaking about women wearing men's ARMOUR and military gear, since this is how pagans worshiped Dianna, while men dressed up like women. That is how Deut 22 is involved in the cross-dressing issue. MAN in the verse, describing the clothing of a man, is WARRIOR in Hebrew. Not simply male. So, the similarity in robes was not the differentiating factor. It was the issue of male WARRIORS and women, hence ARMOUR versus feminine attire. Armour was quite different from a robe.
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Job 38:3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.
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Deu 22:5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.
This is an honest question.....

why is that limited to pants?

What about t-shirts, white button-down shirts, blazers, on and on. I used to know someone who preached against jean skirts that had a zipper in front because he said that pertained to a man. Other people laughed at that. Why? Someone else preached against denim on women because it was used for men's garments first. Why pick just pants and let everything else go?

Also - history says that Chinese women wore pants before men started wearing them.... so maybe men were the ones who started wearing women's garments?
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Job 38:3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.
Same Hebrew word as Deut 22:5 -- MALE WARRIOR, not just MALE.
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Job 38:3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.
do you know what that means? It means they did not wear pants. If the wore pants they would not HAVE to gird up their loins
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I said the combination.

And NOT ones bought in the womans section.
and what about the skirts bought in the men's section?
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Girded Loins
4 tn Heb "Gird up your loins." This idiom basically describes taking the hem of the long garment or robe and pulling it up between the legs and tucking it into the front of the belt, allowing easier and freer movement of the legs. "Girding the loins" meant the preparation for some difficult task (Jer_1:17), or for battle (Isa_5:27), or for running (1Ki_18:46). C. Gordon suggests that it includes belt-wrestling, a form of hand-to-hand mortal combat (see HUCA 23 [1950/51]: 136)
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do you know what that means? It means they did not wear pants. If the wore pants they would not HAVE to gird up their loins
Prax. This is a spiritual application. He wasn't telling him to do anything about his physical garment, but within the application we see how the Lord sees how a man wears his garment.
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Prax. This is a spiritual application. He wasn't telling him to do anything about his physical garment, but within the application we see how the Lord sees how a man wears his garment.
If it's a "spiritual" application then it has nothing to do with how he wears his clothing
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