PCI lite

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Amanah

I need a PCI person to exegisis, or whatever its called, Acts 2:38 for me please

Bernie Gillespie has a large number of articles available on his website dealing with this. For example:

"Remission of Sins in Acts 2:38"
http://www.inchristalone.org/RemissionOfSins.htm

When is the Blood Applied?
http://www.inchristalone.org/WhenBloodAppliedpt1.html

Does the Word “For” in “For the Remission of Sins" in Acts 2:38 Signify that Water Baptism Remits Sin?
http://www.inchristalone.org/Does%20the%20Word_For.htm

What Does It Mean to be "Born Again?" (several articles here)
http://www.inchristalone.org/WhatMeanBornAgain1.htm

The True Plan of Salvation
http://www.inchristalone.org/html%20True%20Plan.htm

Hearts Purified by Faith
http://www.inchristalone.org/PurifiedByFaith.htm

[pelathais]

Concerning the attitudes of the those who held to a more "open" view of the application of Acts 2:38...

From the PCI Manual (1945):



Interestingly, this was one of the first things crossed out by the PAJC men at the time of the merger.

[Amanah]

thank you for your help

[pelathais]

Notice the highlighted statements (boxed) in a more recent UPCI Manual (1994).

"Pardon and remission of sins is obtained by genuine repentance, a confessing and forsaking of sins."



The is NOTHING under the heading for Water Baptism that even hints that this is when sins are remitted. At its founding, the UPC was clearly a "One Stepper" organization - at least officially.

It has been the successful attempts by radicals to change these beliefs that has been the cause of so much pain over the years. The label "cult" might never have been applied to the UPC, even with its strong Oneness views, if effective leadership had reined in these radicals.

So many lives could have been saved. So many good ministers could have been kept in fellowship if only the UPC had followed its own documents and Manual.

... but get ready for it! Even more significant changes to the Manual are said to be in store for this fall's General Conference.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Falla39

These were the instructions given by Jesus to his disciples just prior to his ascension.

Luke 24:44-53
44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

...

Falla39

Notice Sister Falla, that as of this moment, the UPC has ALWAYS applied Luke's record of Jesus' words in Luke 24:47, NOT TO WATER BAPTISM - but to the act of sincere repentance; for THAT is when the "remission of sins" is said to take place.

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Generally speaking, they probably would be considered so, though I don't know of either of them using that phrase specifically to describe themselves. They do fellowship with other "Spirit filled" believers outside of the Oneness ranks, thus I would lump them into that group ("One Steppers").

As to "PCI Lite" - who said that and in what context? Many members within the PCI ranks (and most within the PAJC, for that matter) held to a "Light Doctrine."

"PCI LITE" sounds like a rip on that theme, something pejorative that may not have been intended to even have a specific meaning.

the term "PCI lite" was actually used by someone on this forum to describe someone else on this forum.

I'm in the process right now of reading "Christianity Without the Cross." The whole thing is fascinating.

It is explaining some things that I've been on periphery of but had no idea what was really going on. I think it may explain why my former Pastor left the UPC and quit preaching standards, and is friendly with TFT and TD Jakes. It also explains why my current Pastor's Father of the UPC church I am now attending (who used to Pastor the church) believes that people from other denominations are saved, but are going to another place in heaven. (not sure i have that right)

[pelathais]

"Repentance and remission of sins..." That's what Jesus said. And, the "remission of sins" is obtained through genuine faith when one repents and believes on Christ (Romans 5:1). "Peace with God" means that God's angry wrath has been satisfied and that the sinner is now saved.

How did the UPC view these things? The UPC officially believed that one was saved at repentance.

Matthew 26:28: "... this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins."
John 3:16-18: "... that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
John 5:24: "He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life..."
Acts 13:38-39: "by him all that believe are justified from all things..."
Acts 2:38-39: "... for the remission of sins..."
Acts 5:31: "... a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins."
Acts 10:43: "To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins."
Acts 15:9: "... purifying their hearts through faith."
Acts 26:18: (Paul quoting Jesus) "... that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me."
Romans 1:7: "... the just shall live by faith..."
Romans 5:9: "justified by his blood..."
Romans 5:18: "... by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life."
Romans 3:22-28: "... the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus..." "... a man is justified by faith..."
Ephesians 1:7: "... we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace"
Colossians 1:4: "In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins."
Colossians 1:20: "... having made peace by the blood of his cross..."
Hebrews 9:22: "...without shedding of blood is no remission."
Hebrews 9:28: "... unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation."
James 1:25: "But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, ... but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed."
1 Peter 1:19: "... redeemed ... with the precious blood of Christ."
1 John 1:7: "... the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin."

Revelation 7:9-14

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Amanah

the term "PCI lite" was actually used by someone on this forum to describe someone else on this forum.

I'm in the process right now of reading "Christianity Without the Cross." The whole thing is fascinating.

It is explaining some things that I've been on periphery of but had no idea what was really going on. I think it may explain why my former Pastor left the UPC and quit preaching standards, and is friendly with TFT and TD Jakes. It also explains why my current Pastor's Father of the UPC church I am now attending (who used to Pastor the church) believes that people from other denominations are saved.

The "PCI/PAJC" divide is kind of handy and it really illuminates the politics of the UPC. However, there have been many PAJC ministers who have held to aspects of the "Light Doctrine" - and, as in my own former pastor's case, non-PAJC men who were "converted" to the "Three Step" and became more zealous than most of the PAJC had ever been.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by pelathais

The "PCI/PAJC" divide is kind of handy and it really illuminates the politics of the UPC. However, there have been many PAJC ministers who have held to aspects of the "Light Doctrine" - and, as in my own former pastor's case, non-PAJC men who were "converted" to the "Three Step" and became more zealous than most of the PAJC had ever been.

Ironically, the existence of a "light doctrine" allowed/allows some to be hardliner three steppers practically speaking... and when pressed hard, they could always fall back on LD.

[houston]

I am so glad that I started this thread.