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11-06-2011, 11:30 PM
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Re: Tongues & The Unbelievers
Digging, there is no such scripture (that says it is the only sign - or even the expected sign).
Therefore I figure I have no basis to judge any Christians who do not speak in tongues. Especially when I see many of their lives and it is evident they have received Jesus as have we.
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11-07-2011, 01:10 PM
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Re: Tongues & The Unbelievers
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Originally Posted by Hoovie
Digging, there is no such scripture (that says it is the only sign - or even the expected sign).
Therefore I figure I have no basis to judge any Christians who do not speak in tongues. Especially when I see many of their lives and it is evident they have received Jesus as have we.
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That is the basis for my study.
As I have said... I speak in tongues and my upbringing yells out to see someone speak in tongues who comes seeking the Holy Ghost.
But I have seen people make changes in their lives that they had not been able to make before. Immediate and lasting changes. They appear to have received the power we are promised we would receive AFTER the Holy Ghost has come upon us.
I have no desire to diminish tongues. I have no desire to deny tongues.
I have simply seen things that give witness to the power of God in the lives of people who have not spoken in tongues and this crosses what I was taught as a child. Then... when I study for myself... I don't see the hard drawn line I was told was there.
It is at points like these in my life that I feel a need to open the word and study again with as honest a heart as I can muster.
Thanks for your post.
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11-07-2011, 02:27 PM
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Re: Tongues & The Unbelievers
John 3:8
The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the SOUND thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is EVERY ONE that is born of the Spirit.
Tongues is the sound thereof.
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11-07-2011, 05:40 PM
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Re: Tongues & The Unbelievers
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John 3:8
The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the SOUND thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is EVERY ONE that is born of the Spirit.
Tongues is the sound thereof.
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Jesus never said anything about tongues. He mentioned that there would be a sound and he used wind as the example.
But... for now... let's just go with the assumption that this verse in the middle of a discourse with Nicodemus was actually Jesus making the statement that when someone was filled with the spirit there would be a sound.
On the day of Pentecost when the people in the upper room were filled with the Holy Ghost the very first sound that was heard was, indeed, the sound of wind.
So, if Jesus is telling Nicodemus about a sound that is to be heard when someone is filled with the spirit, then it would seem that the sound of wind should be AT LEAST as important as the sound of tongues.
Jesus is, per your postulate, telling us that there will be a sound when one is filled with the spirit and he uses the sound of wind in making this statement. THEN... at the day of pentecost there is a sound of a rushing mighty wind.
Using your method of rightly dividing the word could we not then say that anyone who says they have the Holy Ghost but did not hear the sound of wind has, in all actuality, not yet been filled with the spirit?
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11-07-2011, 02:52 PM
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Re: Tongues & The Unbelievers
It seems to me that tongues are a physical manifestation of receiving The Holy Spirit Baptism,however as one walks in the Spirit as one grows as a Christian the fruit of the Spirit will be evident in one's life.
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11-08-2011, 04:10 AM
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Re: Tongues & The Unbelievers
D4T -
I would strongly recommend you read The Normal Christian Life, by Watchman Nee.
He never joined a denomination and his books teach Bible principles in a simple, easy to grasp, but profound way. I think you will really like him. I have only peeked at the section where he talks about the Holy Spirit, but I think you should read it.
I'm reviewing his book in my blog, and have a link there to his book online also.
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11-08-2011, 07:05 AM
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Re: Tongues & The Unbelievers
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D4T -
I would strongly recommend you read The Normal Christian Life, by Watchman Nee.
He never joined a denomination and his books teach Bible principles in a simple, easy to grasp, but profound way. I think you will really like him. I have only peeked at the section where he talks about the Holy Spirit, but I think you should read it.
I'm reviewing his book in my blog, and have a link there to his book online also.
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Alright. Thanks for the suggestion.
Did you glean anything from your "peek" 
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11-08-2011, 07:47 AM
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Re: Tongues & The Unbelievers
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Alright. Thanks for the suggestion.
Did you glean anything from your "peek" |
from the peek I got the impression that he points people to seeking after Jesus vs seeking after evidence. that is why I thought you might like to read what he writes. and like I said, I have not even read it yet, but just glanced through it.
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11-08-2011, 08:45 AM
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Re: Tongues & The Unbelievers
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11-08-2011, 08:54 AM
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Re: Tongues & The Unbelievers
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