Common Myths about Gay Christians

[Jay]

If a person has any portion of their identity in the 'gay community', then they do not have their identity in Jesus Christ and are attempting to compromise Christianity with the 'gay community'. We are dealing with life styles that are entirely in contradiction. A person may not have a foot in both. He is either a Christian or he is identified by his sexuality.

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Most of the "gay Christians" that I know only call themselves "Christians", unless the context of a discussion is about subjects that would make being of homosexual orientation relevant. I am relatively certain there are such Christians reading our conversation.

Context.

In the church I attend everyone simply calls themselves a Christian. However, in a youth group service three or four kids stood up and addressed the crowd as "Cutter Christians". Their message? "Jesus was cut for the cutters." These are kids that cut themselves to release emotional pain through bleeding. And they have found peace in Christ. Sometimes they still feel like cutting... but now they are not alone and they turn to Jesus. The context of their message was proper for them to call themselves, "Cutter Christians". In the case of an internet article about the subject at hand, I don't think using the term "gay Christian" is altogether inappropriate.

Of course... if one word you disagree with can send you into a tail spin with regards to seriously acknowledging brothers and sisters in Christ who happen to struggle with homosexuality... I think there's a more serious issue than the word "gay".

Well, I would put them wholly in the Christian category, while still agreeing with Jay. I have issues, too. I can speak as a smoker, or a Christian, and my speeches would agree, hmm, so as long as theirs do, I pray for them, my brothers and sisters. But if you are living a gay "lifestyle," ...that will speak more than I could.

I post to note the overtones of self-cutting revealed in the reflection of "the people" (which i may have derived from "sea" or "waters") in an online lexicon study of the word Armageddon, here, I can get one started, anyway...
http://biblelexicon.org/revelation/16-16.htm
I just dove off into "Har" and "Megiddon" there on the right.

I feel led to say that God chooses to use imperfect people to accomplish His will, and people are gay for complex reasons, but many of which are societal pressures, we make gay people, and depressives, and all the others, who may overcome also, and be a light now.

[Jay]

Originally Posted by mfblume

(sigh of relief). Okay. lol

I know you were tongue in cheek, but some actually do look at themselves individually as the bride of Christ, though. They do not realize there is a distinction between individuality and corporate church body.

I have heard preachers do that, and it has consistently weirded me out a bit, even though I knew what they meant. I think it is in our interest to choose our words with just a bit more care when we say some things.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Orthodoxy

I think we need to define terms one more time. Some of us are not speaking the same language here.

Aquila, when you say, "Homosexuality is a sin," do you mean that a person who experiences daily, unwanted, exclusive, same sex impulses is sinning? If so, he must have to be repenting, like, 24/7. Just like a heterosexual would have to be constantly repenting if an opposite-sex orientation was wrong.

Or, from what I understand from your posts, I think you could more precisely say, "Homosexual behavior or homosexual fantasy is a sin."

Truthseeker insists that the adjective "gay" or "homosexual" automatically implies sin. (Like "fornicating Christian.") But I think the terms "gay" and "straight" are amoral (neither right nor wrong). It just depends on how you act out those desires. For gay people, faithfulness might mean celibacy. For straight people, faithfulness might mean monogamous marriage.

Bingo!

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Jay

If a person has any portion of their identity in the 'gay community', then they do not have their identity in Jesus Christ and are attempting to compromise Christianity with the 'gay community'. We are dealing with life styles that are entirely in contradiction. A person may not have a foot in both. He is either a Christian or he is identified by his sexuality.

Jay, what if God has called them to reach out to their previous associates and the gay community at large? Please don't tell me you're one of those who believe we should be bunkered into our pretty little churches and not go out into these sinful sub cultures to reach the lost.

Bro... I was a medic in the Army (91B10). Sometimes you have to run into the fire everyone else is running away from to save the wounded. Jesus (God) came down and associated with the sinful human community. One can be in the world... and not of it with relation to behavior. One can reach out to the gay community and not participate in their "after hour" events.

[Aquila]

People become homosexual for a number of reasons. Emotional trauma, abuse, fear, insecurity, failed role models, and yes... there may even be a genetic component in some (fallen flesh has problems).

Let's not beat up the already battered and broken.

[houston]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Bro... I was a medic in the Army (91B10). Sometimes you have to run into the fire everyone else is running away from to save the wounded..

Hypothetically speaking. You never saw war.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

I agree with you Aquila, but note that a Christian tempted by these, just as a homosexual might be tempted, do not affix "Glutton" to the front of Christian, and attempt to legitimize it, as it seems to me homosexuals do? Or, to put it a less kind way, there is no such thing as a ______ Christian. You are a Christian, and ______ is your problem, not a badge of pride, or a meaningful label.

Amen.

[bbyrd009]

I would say beware the place that you as a Christian who is gay makes for a Gay Christian.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Aquila

People become homosexual for a number of reasons. Emotional trauma, abuse, fear, insecurity, failed role models, and yes... there may even be a genetic component in some (fallen flesh has problems).

Let's not beat up the already battered and broken.

Who's beating them?