Romans 2:6-11

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

So like, shaving my beard if I were (for some strange reason) going to go to a UPS church, to avoid offending, v growing a beard first, before I went, which would (def) be my natch inclination.

Yes. If you plan on attending a church wherein beards are an offense, because of your love for the weaker brethren (because we know a beard is nothing, even Jesus had a beard) you'd shave and not wear one as long as you choose to attend there. However, it's sad that some churches have decended into such a legalistic mess that something like a beard even shows up on radar.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by HRea

1) Jesus never advocated rebellion against the Roman government.
2) Melchizedek was the priest of the most high God; however it was the same God.
3 & 4) third eye (blind) as in inner enlightenment or the alternative rock band? If you mean enlightenment - only by the Holy Spirit can we understand the mysteries of God. We cannot achieve this by our own endeavors, we need the Spirit to reveal these things to us. If you meant the rock band, Jesus is the Rock not the band - although He did sing an hymn at the Last Supper.

LOL

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by HRea

1) Jesus never advocated rebellion against the Roman government.

No, Jesus never advocated rebellion. However, Jesus did teach that believers were part of another Kingdom. And it was the loyalty to this heavenly Kingdom that Rome saw as treason...especially when it came to a Christian's burning incense to the emperor as a god or a Christians refusal to kill as part of military service.

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by HRea

1) Jesus never advocated rebellion against the Roman government.
2) Melchizedek was the priest of the most high God; however it was the same God.
3 & 4) third eye (blind) as in inner enlightenment or the alternative rock band? If you mean enlightenment - only by the Holy Spirit can we understand the mysteries of God. We cannot achieve this by our own endeavors, we need the Spirit to reveal these things to us. If you meant the rock band, Jesus is the Rock not the band - although He did sing an hymn at the Last Supper.

1) Hmm, yet they killed Him nonetheless; and He did advocate "rebellion" (as far as they were concerned) against the extant "Gov," which was (primarily, to them) the Est'd church?
2) Diff Jesus, tho. A Son of God.
3) the first one.

[bbyrd009]

I'd like to see this "Grace versus Law" thing addressed;
which is I guess what we're doing...

So, when do I call you out for your sin
in the crowd, and when does that become
removing splinters?

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

So like, shaving my beard if I were (for some strange reason) going to go to a UPS church, to avoid offending, v growing a beard first, before I went, which would (def) be my natch inclination.

A UPS church?

[HRea]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Gandhi advocated peaceful rebellion against an oppressive empire. Gandhi advocated absolute peace to the point of martyrdom. Yes, Gandhi wasn’t exactly like Christ. However, in some ways, he was more like Christ than many of us.

Maybe we're talking about two different Gandhi's - the one I'm referring to was very politically active in India during British colonial rule and partitioning, advocated (peaceful) rebellion against an earthly government, was a racist (until he was imprisoned in South Africa), was killed for championing reparation payments to Pakistani muslims, and never advocated absolute peace (inner or otherwise).

Originally Posted by Aquila

True. I’d also add that one could obey a list and think they are a true believer and not be.

Exactly, this is where many "believers" are. With lists of do's and don'ts, there is a generational tendency to develop a relationship with the list instead of the Writer of the list. The pharisees fell into this trap, and it happens too often today.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Yep, you missed the entire point. I firmly believe that a sound study of the Scripture will illustrate the disciplines and practices we are to embrace because of love.

Perhaps, I did.

[HRea]

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

I'd like to see this "Grace versus Law" thing addressed;
which is I guess what we're doing...

So, when do I call you out for your sin
in the crowd, and when does that become
removing splinters?

1) If you're my Savior and your goal is to save my soul, call me out anytime.
2) If you're my brother/sister and your goal is to restore my soul, call me out privately.
3) If you're neither and your goal is simply to condemn me, visit an open field and call to your heart's content.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

A UPS church?

Now that's funny!!!
I can see the uniform for that church, pretty clearly!