My Story

[johnny44]

Originally Posted by navygoat1998

Before I left UPCI SOCAL district (wont mention any names because we know some of the same people) I thought my name was Jezebel Spirit. I was told that because I was being disobedient to the man of God that I would suffer greatly. I was told by other members of the Church not to touch the Lords anointed and that the ground will swallow me and that I needed to repent at the altar. I have to be honest I waited for death and destruction to show up on my door step. I had sermons preached about me and to me and even after we departed the sermon series on spiritual authority continued we had friends that told us thanks a lot for the heavy handed preaching.

The final straw was when we had to stand up and apologize to the entire church, youth and all for going against authority. We were left at the altar as a bloody mess with little concern for our souls. All we did was get married without approval we were told that the pastors will decide when we could get married please and understand we were both in our 40's. We were active members of our respective churches I was the men's leader and was being groomed for bigger things and my wife was on the platform singing specials. We were both serving our local church hard!

It was then we decided the time was now to get out so we met with the pastor the next Sunday morning and we informed him of our decision to leave his church, he was hot and told me that in prayer that God told him to just let us go. We went to a little AOG church that very morning during that very service there was tongues and interpretation and during this interpretation the word came forth that He Himself had set us free from the shackles and bonds and that He has made our path straight and I thought to myself how can God show up here they don't know the truth. Also during our church hunt we went to this church plant that had 5 people and we were 2 of the 5. The pastor looked at me and told me that God would speak to me today but in my head I am like whatever your just trying to grow a church and your wife wears pants. Worship started and the Holy Ghost fell and caused me to bend over and weep uncontrollably it was at this time He told me that He was not well pleased and that none of what we went through were by His hand and that He would he would deal with them in a Godly manner that I would never understand because they love Him.

My dad is still in UPC and has been from the H Richard Hall days. To him I am his backslidden son who would have better off have never tasting the riches of God. He is getting soft in his old age because he asks me once and awhile how was church. I know that like a few here at AFF he thinks that I attend the Temple of Baal with a doctrine of demons. I respect that because I will always know where I stand, I don't agree but I respect.

Someone here on the forums said that other certain Pentecostal church members need to go a little further down the rabbit hole. For the record snakes have been known live rabbit holes.

Today I don't put my hope in manmade interpretation of scriptures because that's all doctrine is but instead I put on my blessed hope and know that mercy triumphs judgment and God desires mercy over sacrifice. It has been a long bloody battle and I have to scars to prove it as do most people that leave a certain oneness organization.

In His Name!

Mike

Sounds like the O.T. story of God's anointed chasing the anointed of God.

[Bro. Robbins]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

Sorry Joe, but Wiki is not a reliable source. I do not think that most people think of God in the terms of being three separate and distinct persons. Not even with the same definition in their own declarations of faith do I think most people believe that.

I do however, think that if any of the leadership who say that they do not believe in three Gods have any guts, they would ditch that definition and redefine what they think God is.

I think a lot of man's theology is deliberate to confuse people.

God is a Spirit. The Holy Ghost is a Spirit and Jesus is incarnate and I don't know any "trinitarian" who will dispute that.

But almost all Trinitarians... especially the big Trinitarian Pentecostal organizations will use the word "PERSONS" in their Declaration or Articles of Faith. Though most of the laity would accept a Oneness definition of God, it's because the Godhead isn't taught in Trinitarian churches... and I know.

Furthermore, I have yet to know one Trinitarian that has ever believed 3 God's.

The issue all comes downt to 3 Persons.... and how you interpret persons in light of the original intent of that word, and it's modern day interpretation.

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by BroJoe

I wouldn't sit under a pastor like some of you have had, to be honest...

Many of us did not. That is why gossip was put out there about our faults and of us being......backslid! That is why many of us are not welcomed in other churches. Oooooo! The word got around that we do not obey the pastor!

[ILG]

Originally Posted by navygoat1998

Before I left UPCI SOCAL district (wont mention any names because we know some of the same people) I thought my name was Jezebel Spirit. I was told that because I was being disobedient to the man of God that I would suffer greatly. I was told by other members of the Church not to touch the Lords anointed and that the ground will swallow me and that I needed to repent at the altar. I have to be honest I waited for death and destruction to show up on my door step. I had sermons preached about me and to me and even after we departed the sermon series on spiritual authority continued we had friends that told us thanks a lot for the heavy handed preaching.

The final straw was when we had to stand up and apologize to the entire church, youth and all for going against authority. We were left at the altar as a bloody mess with little concern for our souls. All we did was get married without approval we were told that the pastors will decide when we could get married please and understand we were both in our 40's. We were active members of our respective churches I was the men's leader and was being groomed for bigger things and my wife was on the platform singing specials. We were both serving our local church hard!

It was then we decided the time was now to get out so we met with the pastor the next Sunday morning and we informed him of our decision to leave his church, he was hot and told me that in prayer that God told him to just let us go. We went to a little AOG church that very morning during that very service there was tongues and interpretation and during this interpretation the word came forth that He Himself had set us free from the shackles and bonds and that He has made our path straight and I thought to myself how can God show up here they don't know the truth. Also during our church hunt we went to this church plant that had 5 people and we were 2 of the 5. The pastor looked at me and told me that God would speak to me today but in my head I am like whatever your just trying to grow a church and your wife wears pants. Worship started and the Holy Ghost fell and caused me to bend over and weep uncontrollably it was at this time He told me that He was not well pleased and that none of what we went through were by His hand and that He would he would deal with them in a Godly manner that I would never understand because they love Him.

My dad is still in UPC and has been from the H Richard Hall days. To him I am his backslidden son who would have better off have never tasting the riches of God. He is getting soft in his old age because he asks me once and awhile how was church. I know that like a few here at AFF he thinks that I attend the Temple of Baal with a doctrine of demons. I respect that because I will always know where I stand, I don't agree but I respect.

Someone here on the forums said that other certain Pentecostal church members need to go a little further down the rabbit hole. For the record snakes have been known live rabbit holes.

Today I don't put my hope in manmade interpretation of scriptures because that's all doctrine is but instead I put on my blessed hope and know that mercy triumphs judgment and God desires mercy over sacrifice. It has been a long bloody battle and I have to scars to prove it as do most people that leave a certain oneness organization.

In His Name!

Mike

Sorry you had to go through all that. Hang in there. It gets better. To see my story, read in the thread "The Wrecked Church". Off and on in there, I finally told my tale.

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by Bro. Robbins

But almost all Trinitarians... especially the big Trinitarian Pentecostal organizations will use the word "PERSONS" in their Declaration or Articles of Faith. Though most of the laity would accept a Oneness definition of God, it's because the Godhead isn't taught in Trinitarian churches... and I know.

Furthermore, I have yet to know one Trinitarian that has ever believed 3 God's.

The issue all comes downt to 3 Persons.... and how you interpret persons in light of the original intent of that word, and it's modern day interpretation.

Brother Robbins, you make the same point I did, or at least I am trying to make. I am wondering why much of the leadership does not make an issue of their Article of Faith that contains the words three separate and distinct "PERSONS"? Especially if they do not believe it themselves?

Is it an "obey your pastor" type thing with them? They do not believe in three gods...they read the same scripture that God is a Spirit, Jesus is incarnate and we know the Holy Ghost is just that...Holy Spirit. Why don't they make it an issue to be straightened out?

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

These situations are so dead to me in terms of effecting how my view of God and His church that I actually welcome them now for pure entertainment. I would stick around a church with an abusive pastor just long enough to mess with his mind and to plant enough in his little pea brain head to keep him up every night worrying about the vast "left wing conspiracy!" that the devil has against him.

Meanwhile, I'll be sleeping like a baby (and laughing all the way to the bank!).

Randy...you so bad.

Don't you still have anxiety when you hear "I'm a Pentecostal" singing?

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by ILG

Sorry you had to go through all that. Hang in there. It gets better. To see my story, read in the thread "The Wrecked Church". Off and on in there, I finally told my tale.

I still want to read your book.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

Randy...you so bad.

Don't you still have anxiety when you hear "I'm a Pentecostal" singing?

Well, yes. I start feeling vertigo when I stand during a typical song service.

[navygoat1998]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Well, yes. I start feeling vertigo when I stand during a typical song service.

I went to church with my Dad a couple of times and I could not see the preaching for all the buns in the way.

During worship all I could do is think to my self after almost 6 years you would think they would have some new songs.

I refused to go down front because if one tear drop would have fallen that would have been the talk of the church......look Brotherrrrrrr Ed's son has prayed through and has came back.

Nope not this boy!

[ILG]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

Many of us did not. That is why gossip was put out there about our faults and of us being......backslid! That is why many of us are not welcomed in other churches. Oooooo! The word got around that we do not obey the pastor!

Oh, sinner seek the Lord....