Selling Out to Cash In.... Ex-Apostolics...

[Jekyll]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Love of money is the root of all evil ... it happens in the Apostolic church ... out of it ... with dyed in the wool Apostolics ... and ex-Apostolics ...

We know the stories of money-hungry self-professed Christians on both sides ....

I cant swallow prosperity preaching at all ... but in happens in Apostolic churches also ... I've heard it w/ my own ears .....

As for the charge against singers and musicians that leave .... to cash in ... yes there are some that have seeing a broader cash revenue ... but again ... I've seen Apostolics that will hawk their CD's at a prayer service ....

One of the problems that the Apostolic church has had is that some pastors do not:

1. Understand the exorbitant costs it takes to produce a quality CD recording ... it's in the thousands of dollars ....

They then expect this singer or musician to sell their CD' to a small insular market. Some shun those that minister at "non-apostolic" venues ....

2. Then you have pastors who literally don't even see it as a ministry on the par w/ preaching or teaching and so it's marginalized ..... Many pastors till this day think it's crazy to have salaried musicians .... and those that do are often grossly underpaid based on the hours they put in ....

Things we need to consider ...

This is a great post. Finally, DA, I knew you could do it

Although I disagree with the paying musicians...it MUST be a labor of love and a gift that someone returns to God. At the least they can be getting paid, then sacrificing the whole amount of pay back in the form of music ministry offering...

On the other hand, should the musician be able to claim their non-salary as a gift to charity and be able to claim it on income tax at least? I don't know...doesn't sound good after I typed it.

Astoundingly great music is not a prerequisite for a move of the Holy Ghost.

[Jekyll]

Originally Posted by Jekyll

This is a great post. Finally, DA, I knew you could do it

Although I disagree with the paying musicians...it MUST be a labor of love and a gift that someone returns to God. At the least they can be getting paid, then sacrificing the whole amount of pay back in the form of music ministry offering...

On the other hand, should the musician be able to claim their non-salary as a gift to charity and be able to claim it on income tax at least? I don't know...doesn't sound good after I typed it.

Astoundingly great music is not a prerequisite for a move of the Holy Ghost.

OOoops, I am really tired right now.

I didn't realize that there were so many more pages in the thread and conversation has move on...

But, DA's post was still good.

[CC1]

RKentSmith,

Please answer my question from the last page.

[revrandy]

Originally Posted by CC1

RKentSmith,

Please answer my question from the last page.

CC1.. I think he is alluding to Country Music... and Money...

[CC1]

Originally Posted by revrandy

CC1.. I think he is alluding to Country Music... and Money...

I was trying to figure out how the city of Nashville got lumped in there with TBN.

There are many exUPCer's / exApostolics who have not gone that road of the "Prosperity Message". My church and pastor are one of them.

The ones that do go that route tend to get a lot of attention because of their antics. I have related how I stumbled across a Christian TV telethon being hosted by a former UPC pastor a couple of years ago and how shameful his appeal to the elderly and poor was. I was so full of rightous indignation I was almost shaking and had trouble going to sleep that night. That man is going to answer to God for the perversion of the Gospel I witnessed him put forth that night. It was as if Christianity was a get rich scheme rather than the restoration of creation to the Creator.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by CC1

I was trying to figure out how the city of Nashville got lumped in there with TBN.

There are many exUPCer's / exApostolics who have not gone that road of the "Prosperity Message". My church and pastor are one of them.

The ones that do go that route tend to get a lot of attention because of their antics. I have related how I stumbled across a Christian TV telethon being hosted by a former UPC pastor a couple of years ago and how shameful his appeal to the elderly and poor was. I was so full of rightous indignation I was almost shaking and had trouble going to sleep that night. That man is going to answer to God for the perversion of the Gospel I witnessed him put forth that night. It was as if Christianity was a get rich scheme rather than the restoration of creation to the Creator.

See Rksmith......most of us exer's HERE feel this way.

[revrandy]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

See Rksmith......most of us exer's HERE feel this way.

That being said.. I don't think for the most part many of you have left the Oneness Doctrine either?? Have you??

[revrandy]

Originally Posted by CC1

I was trying to figure out how the city of Nashville got lumped in there with TBN.

There are many exUPCer's / exApostolics who have not gone that road of the "Prosperity Message". My church and pastor are one of them.

The ones that do go that route tend to get a lot of attention because of their antics. I have related how I stumbled across a Christian TV telethon being hosted by a former UPC pastor a couple of years ago and how shameful his appeal to the elderly and poor was. I was so full of rightous indignation I was almost shaking and had trouble going to sleep that night. That man is going to answer to God for the perversion of the Gospel I witnessed him put forth that night. It was as if Christianity was a get rich scheme rather than the restoration of creation to the Creator.

This is precisely my point... they have sold the Truth... to cash in for personal gain... or to promote False Doctrine...

they have lowered themselves to this level..and it's sad... no matter how wealthy they are or will become..

[CC1]

Originally Posted by revrandy

This is precisely my point... they have sold the Truth... to cash in for personal gain... or to promote False Doctrine...

they have lowered themselves to this level..and it's sad... no matter how wealthy they are or will become..

But you would say the same thing about my pastor and church because it is PCI in doctrine.

I just don't like everybody who doesnt' beleive just like you do being lumped together.

There is so much difference between an L.H. Hardwick and a Steve Munsey they are on opposite ends of the earth!

[Charlie Brown]

Originally Posted by CC1

I was trying to figure out how the city of Nashville got lumped in there with TBN.

There are many exUPCer's / exApostolics who have not gone that road of the "Prosperity Message". My church and pastor are one of them.

The ones that do go that route tend to get a lot of attention because of their antics. I have related how I stumbled across a Christian TV telethon being hosted by a former UPC pastor a couple of years ago and how shameful his appeal to the elderly and poor was. I was so full of rightous indignation I was almost shaking and had trouble going to sleep that night. That man is going to answer to God for the perversion of the Gospel I witnessed him put forth that night. It was as if Christianity was a get rich scheme rather than the restoration of creation to the Creator.

Maybe he means the ex-apostolics that live in Nashville, and sing on TBN?