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Old 02-17-2013, 09:27 PM
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Re: My pastor's wife had broidered hair?

In all seriousness, What happens if a Woman goes bald? Is she somehow outside of the Will of God because she lost her magic covering? Is she cursed for some unrepentant sin?

Im just so thankful that the God I serve don't give a flip about how long a single hair is on any of His sons or daughters!
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In all seriousness, What happens if a Woman goes bald? Is she somehow outside of the Will of God because she lost her magic covering? Is she cursed for some unrepentant sin?

Im just so thankful that the God I serve don't give a flip about how long a single hair is on any of His sons or daughters!
Amen!
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Old 02-18-2013, 12:01 AM
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In all seriousness, What happens if a Woman goes bald? Is she somehow outside of the Will of God because she lost her magic covering? Is she cursed for some unrepentant sin?

Im just so thankful that the God I serve don't give a flip about how long a single hair is on any of His sons or daughters!
Apostle Paul was an idiot I guess?
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Old 02-18-2013, 12:37 AM
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Re: My pastor's wife had broidered hair?

Thats the point that Paul was making in 1Cor 11. It would be better for a women to even be shaved bald or have cut hair, rather than have a Pentecostal UpDo. Because with the UpDo her head is not covered, and she has not adorned herself with modesty.

If that is ashamed she should have long hair covering her head.

To imply that you ears and neck are not part of your head is simply false.
In Greek the head is that form of the body most readily taken hold of: This includes the neck.
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Old 02-18-2013, 12:46 AM
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Double talk.
How is what he said "double talk"?
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Thats the point that Paul was making in 1Cor 11. It would be better for a women to even be shaved bald or have cut hair, rather than have a Pentecostal UpDo. Because with the UpDo her head is not covered, and she has not adorned herself with modesty.

If that is ashamed she should have long hair covering her head.

To imply that you ears and neck are not part of your head is simply false.
In Greek the head is that form of the body most readily taken hold of: This includes the neck.
No that wasn't the point. Paul never addresses haur dos in 1Cor

The head can refer to the scalp area or it can refer to the neck up. You don't drink your coffee with your head.

For example here the word Head is used in reference to hair

36 And do not take an oath by your head, for you cannot make one hair white or black.
37 Let what you say be simply ‘Yes’ or ‘No’; anything more than this comes from evil.7

Here head is distinguished from face
17 But when you fast, anoint your head and wash your face,

The Holy Bible: English Standard Version. 2001 (Mt 6:17). Wheaton: Standard Bible Society.

Think about it. You are saying a woman with her hair up is uncovered...so a man with his hair down is covered? So men need to braid their hair?

If it means to cover the entire head as you said it, the the hair must become like cousin It from the adams family and cover the eyes, nose and mouth.

Louw Nida Greek Lexicon says
8.10 κεφαλήa, ῆς f—‘head.’ θέλω ἵνα ἐξαυτῆς δῷς μοι ἐπὶ πίνακι τὴν κεφαλὴν Ἰωάννου τοῦ βαπτιστοῦ ‘I want you to give me the head of John the Baptist on a plate’ Mk 6:25. In some languages it may be necessary to distinguish clearly between the head which is still a part of a body and a severed head. It is this latter meaning which is obviously involved in Mk 6:25.
In rendering 1 Cor 11:4, πᾶς ἀνὴρ προσευχόμενος ἢ προφητεύων κατὰ κεφαλῆς ἔχων ‘any man who prays or prophesies with his head covered,’ it may be important to indicate V 1, p 95 that the covering is not one which is designed to cover the entire head including the face, but only the top of the head. The same applies, of course, to 1 Cor 11:5 and 7.

Louw, J. P., & Nida, E. A. (1996). Vol. 1: Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament: Based on semantic domains (electronic ed. of the 2nd edition.) (93–95). New York: United Bible Societies.
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Re: My pastor's wife had broidered hair?

Doth not nature itself teach you that..........If a women has long hair it is a glory to her?

It would not be normal by nature to wear your hair like Cousin It, as it is not normal by nature to wear your hair up like the Bride of Frankenstein.

By the way: I appreciate the banter.

I also love you in Christ, and we are so blessed to have his great enduring love in our hearts. God Bless, and good night.

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Apostle Paul was an idiot I guess?
No, just the people who make their own interpretations and batter women with it.
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Doth not nature itself teach you that..........If a women has long hair it is a glory to her?

It would not be normal by nature to wear your hair like Cousin It, as it is not normal by nature to wear your hair up like the Bride of Frankenstein.

By the way: I appreciate the banter.

I also love you in Christ, and we are so blessed to have his great enduring love in our hearts. God Bless, and good night.

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No that wasn't the point. Paul never addresses haur dos in 1Cor

The head can refer to the scalp area or it can refer to the neck up. You don't drink your coffee with your head.

For example here the word Head is used in reference to hair

36 And do not take an oath by your head, for you cannot make one hair white or black.
37 Let what you say be simply ‘Yes’ or ‘No’; anything more than this comes from evil.7

Here head is distinguished from face
17 But when you fast, anoint your head and wash your face,

The Holy Bible: English Standard Version. 2001 (Mt 6:17). Wheaton: Standard Bible Society.

Think about it. You are saying a woman with her hair up is uncovered...so a man with his hair down is covered? So men need to braid their hair?

If it means to cover the entire head as you said it, the the hair must become like cousin It from the adams family and cover the eyes, nose and mouth.

Louw Nida Greek Lexicon says
8.10 κεφαλήa, ῆς f—‘head.’ θέλω ἵνα ἐξαυτῆς δῷς μοι ἐπὶ πίνακι τὴν κεφαλὴν Ἰωάννου τοῦ βαπτιστοῦ ‘I want you to give me the head of John the Baptist on a plate’ Mk 6:25. In some languages it may be necessary to distinguish clearly between the head which is still a part of a body and a severed head. It is this latter meaning which is obviously involved in Mk 6:25.
In rendering 1 Cor 11:4, πᾶς ἀνὴρ προσευχόμενος ἢ προφητεύων κατὰ κεφαλῆς ἔχων ‘any man who prays or prophesies with his head covered,’ it may be important to indicate V 1, p 95 that the covering is not one which is designed to cover the entire head including the face, but only the top of the head. The same applies, of course, to 1 Cor 11:5 and 7.

Louw, J. P., & Nida, E. A. (1996). Vol. 1: Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament: Based on semantic domains (electronic ed. of the 2nd edition.) (93–95). New York: United Bible Societies.
This has got to stop first Timmy and I agree and now you and I. I must go and pray something is wrong.
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