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04-17-2013, 02:34 PM
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Re: My Former A/G Pastor Disappointed w/ My Decisi
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Jermyn, have you become dissatisfied with the AG church in any way besides being homesick?
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Nope.
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04-17-2013, 02:39 PM
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Re: My Former A/G Pastor Disappointed w/ My Decisi
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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson
Not blaming you at all-- not blaming anyone. I don't think I gave the impression that I was blaming you or anyone else.
I said what I said to you, because when we could have spoken and gotten a little closer as we discussed our shared experiences, you didn't respond.
But now that I have made my decision to go back, now I hear from you-- and let it be known that I am glad to communicate with you. It just would have been nice to, well... trust me bro, I am not blaming you, but the dynamics I am witnessing right now are interesting.
To answer your questions.
Your questions are answered from my humble opinion-- I am sure there are others who will disagree.
If a person follows the "3 step plan", they will be saved.
If a person follows the salvation plan as expressed by the A/G, they will be saved. I consider the people in both camps to be my brothers and sisters in Christ.
I am going back because I miss the services, the sermons and the people of my former church.
Two or three friends shunned me from the very beginning. I didn't expect it from them, but I got over it.
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04-17-2013, 02:51 PM
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Re: My Former A/G Pastor Disappointed w/ My Decisi
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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson
If a person follows the "3 step plan", they will be saved.
If a person follows the salvation plan as expressed by the A/G, they will be saved. I consider the people in both camps to be my brothers and sisters in Christ.
I am going back because I miss the services, the sermons and the people of my former church.
Two or three friends shunned me from the very beginning. I didn't expect it from them, but I got over it.
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I honestly don't think you'll ever be really accepted by your oneness brothers and sisters. I mean, look at this forum. There are things which are demanded over and over and over, namely the Godhead, baptism and tongues. Since you count trinitarians as brothers and sisters in Christ, there goes one of the essential doctrines of your oneness pentecostal church. Baptism? You believe that Father, Son, Holy Ghost is a valid baptism, oneness pentecostals are very much against that. Tongues? Some of your oneness pentecostal might possibly believe that the trinitarian pentecostals have actually spoken in tongues but since they embrace false doctrine concerning the trinity and erroneous baptism, tongues isn't going to solve the problem with the trinity and baptism.
I predict you'll be superficially accepted at first because of the hope that you're 'coming back to the truth' and you will be cautiously tolerated for a while. At the same time, IMO, you'll never be really trusted....you could be there to cause division and spread false AG doctrine. When you openly and honestly declare your view that trinitarians are your brothers and sisters in Christ, you're going to begin to have very serious problems. Of course they'll never ban you (I don't think) from attending, but you'll always be on the outside, a suspect, viewed as confused at best.
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04-17-2013, 02:59 PM
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Re: My Former A/G Pastor Disappointed w/ My Decisi
It's much easier to be a former OP in a Trinitarian church than a "Trinity sympathizer" in a OP church.
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04-17-2013, 03:04 PM
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Re: My Former A/G Pastor Disappointed w/ My Decisi
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It's much easier to be a former OP in a Trinitarian church than a "Trinity sympathizer" in a OP church.
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Just as it is much easier for "You, as civilized men to act like barbarians, then they, as barbarians, to act as civilized men."
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04-17-2013, 03:08 PM
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Re: My Former A/G Pastor Disappointed w/ My Decisi
Seekerperson,
He will be accepted just fine over time if he keeps his mouth shut and his opinions contrary to OP dogma to himself.
If he makes no waves even the couple of people he thought were friends who shunned him when he left will probably be friends again. (as long as he doesn't leave the UPC again).
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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04-17-2013, 03:10 PM
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Re: My Former A/G Pastor Disappointed w/ My Decisi
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Originally Posted by CC1
Seekerperson,
He will be accepted just fine over time if he keeps his mouth shut and his opinions contrary to OP dogma to himself.
If he makes no waves even the couple of people he thought were friends who shunned him when he left will probably be friends again. (as long as he doesn't leave the UPC again).
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This thread made me think of Felicity.
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04-17-2013, 03:11 PM
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Re: My Former A/G Pastor Disappointed w/ My Decisi
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Originally Posted by CC1
Seekerperson,
He will be accepted just fine over time if he keeps his mouth shut and his opinions contrary to OP dogma to himself.
If he makes no waves even the couple of people he thought were friends who shunned him when he left will probably be friends again. (as long as he doesn't leave the UPC again).
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Yes, you may be right. 
But there's about a 99.9999999999% chance that he'll have to openly and actively deny the AG theology over and over. As long as he keeps his true views to himself though, yes he may be fine.
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04-17-2013, 03:12 PM
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Re: My Former A/G Pastor Disappointed w/ My Decisi
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Originally Posted by RandyWayne
Just as it is much easier for "You, as civilized men to act like barbarians, then they, as barbarians, to act as civilized men."
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CC1
Seekerperson,
He will be accepted just fine over time if he keeps his mouth shut and his opinions contrary to OP dogma to himself.
If he makes no waves even the couple of people he thought were friends who shunned him when he left will probably be friends again. (as long as he doesn't leave the UPC again).
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This is true, but what if any of them confront him with his beliefs, seeing as how he came from an AG church?
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04-17-2013, 03:17 PM
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Re: My Former A/G Pastor Disappointed w/ My Decisi
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This thread made me think of Felicity.
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