Poll: Is Gods Love Unconditional

[Esaias]

The question is ridiculous.

I have noticed those who promote 'unconditional love from God' tend to mean 'you can sin - at least a little bit - and not be lost'.

Which is of course false.

God's destruction of the wicked is an act of love - His love for all creation. He will not suborn His love for Creation for the benefit of any individual.

[Esaias]

By the way, God hated Esau.

God offered ZERO place of mercy for the Amalekites.

God's 'hatred' itself is part of His love for his Creation.

[seekerman]

If you want a good teaching on God hating, look no further than this. If you've never listened to Jim Brown you have a 'treat' in store.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4QL9FNlniU

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Aquila

What kind of fickle God would love us with absolute love... a love that would cause Him to go the entire way to the cross... and then suddenly... if we screw up just once... that love is viciously taken back and suddenly He doesn't love us any more?

That's not God.

Think categorically people.

Religion is so deadly. Religious people know all about Him. But few really really know Him.

Few actually know the difference between righteous judgement and 'hate', too.

God's punishment of sinners is not 'hateful'. If a righteous man sins, his righteousness will be forgotten and he will die in his sins, if he fails to repent. God said so.

No hate involved. God didn't 'suddenly stop loving' the person. If you love your child, and your child murders your wife (his own mother) in cold blood, you would still 'love' your child, as you called the cops and even as you testified against him in court if need be.

Right?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Few actually know the difference between righteous judgement and 'hate', too.

God's punishment of sinners is not 'hateful'. If a righteous man sins, his righteousness will be forgotten and he will die in his sins, if he fails to repent. God said so.

No hate involved. God didn't 'suddenly stop loving' the person. If you love your child, and your child murders your wife (his own mother) in cold blood, you would still 'love' your child, as you called the cops and even as you testified against him in court if need be.

Right?

Right. Just because God loves unconditionally, it doesn't mean that God will not punish sin. Part of love is the execution of justice.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Aquila

What kind of fickle God would love us with absolute love... a love that would cause Him to go the entire way to the cross... and then suddenly... if we screw up just once... that love is viciously taken back and suddenly He doesn't love us any more?

That's not God.

Think categorically people.

Religion is so deadly. Religious people know all about Him. But few really really know Him.

As if I ever one time said that. Unreal how people will distort and twist your words. In all the preaching and teaching I ever heard about maybe 000.1% of people believe that.

On the other hand we can say for sure that the huge majority of believers believe that the God of the Universe puts no conditions out there for his people.

They say he loves everyone without condition!

Many say they sin every day! And yet God will accept them into his kingdom. But some of them say if we backslide....even tho he still loves us he will send us to be tormented in a burning lake of fire for millions, billions, trillions of unending years! But his love for them is UNCONDITIONAL.

[Luke]

I believe that God's mercy i unconditional in that He is willing to be merciful and save any that will come to Him in repentance but throughout the Bible there are many places where there are those who are said to be under God's hatred and anger.

[Michael The Disciple]

People tend to see God as what they want him to be. Otherwise they say he is not fair and just. Here is an example as Paul dealt with people who thought that way in his time.

How did he answer?

Romans 9:11-24

11 (For the children being not yet born , neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand , not of works, but of him that calleth 12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. 13 As it is written , Jacob have I loved , but Esau have I hated . 14 What shall we say then ? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid . 15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy , and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion . 16 So then it is not of him that willeth , nor of him that runneth , but of God that sheweth mercy . 17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up , that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. 18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth . 19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault ? For who hath resisted his will? 20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God ? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? 21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? 22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known , endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: 23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, 24 Even us, whom he hath called , not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

So if one took the time to read these 13 verses a bigger picture of God emerges. He does not live for man. Man lives for him. He is sovereign over our lives.

Men hearing this truth accuse him of being unjust. Paul replies it would not be just to tell God what he can or cannot do with his creation.

Most believers today are in the category Paul mentions of those who "reply against God".

So condition for Gods love number one we must be CALLED.

[navygoat1998]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

People tend to see God as what they want him to be. Otherwise they say he is not fair and just. Here is an example as Paul dealt with people who thought that way in his time.

How did he answer?

Romans 9:11-24

11 (For the children being not yet born , neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand , not of works, but of him that calleth 12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. 13 As it is written , Jacob have I loved , but Esau have I hated . 14 What shall we say then ? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid . 15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy , and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion . 16 So then it is not of him that willeth , nor of him that runneth , but of God that sheweth mercy . 17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up , that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. 18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth . 19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault ? For who hath resisted his will? 20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God ? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? 21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? 22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known , endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: 23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, 24 Even us, whom he hath called , not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

So if one took the time to read these 13 verses a bigger picture of God emerges. He does not live for man. Man lives for him. He is sovereign over our lives.

Men hearing this truth accuse him of being unjust. Paul replies it would not be just to tell God what he can or cannot do with his creation.

Most believers today are in the category Paul mentions of those who "reply against God".

So condition for Gods love number one we must be CALLED.

Michael do you believe in the doctrine of predestination???

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by navygoat1998

Michael do you believe in the doctrine of predestination???

Well if one reads the 13 verses I copied and pasted you cant believe otherwise.